Dmitry Yuryevich Bivol vs. Gilberto Ramírez Sánchez & Shavkatdzhon Rakhimov vs. Zelfa Barrett RBR.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    But you still acknowledge that without the injury, Pacquiao would've most likely performed far more impressively than he did correct? And that the injury most likely greatly inhibited Pac's performance correct? Quite frankly you'd have to be borderline delusional to say otherwise. Well Pacquiao and Lomachenko both stupidly went into their matches with pre-existing shoulder injuries. They should've both pulled out, but then they'd have to face the backlash of being called quitters and whatnot from their army of haters. Also, there's no guaranteeing a match that's as hard to sign as Pac-May would ever be on the table again. Pac faced an uphill battle because of his skill deficit, Loma faced an uphill battle due to his power deficit. But they both made the best of a bad situation. Also, you do understand that if Loma went all out early, blew his shoulder out even more, and his dad had to pull him, that would be a TKO loss, right? What would look worse on a resume? A TKO loss, which as evidenced by the assholes on here, like Lennox-Vitali an Vitali-Byrd can take on a life of their own. Or a half hearted safety first early rounds, only to slowly amp up the pressure in an attempt to build to a crescendo and win it down the stretch, and another thing, let's not forget, the judges were out to **** Loma that night, he never had a chance. Loma swept 7 through 11 and had an argument for nicking the 2nd and even 6th. Yet though vile whores Lederman and Weisfeld gave him 1 and 3 rounds. I doubt even you had it that wide. Clearly squeaking out a points win would be preferable to losing by TKO.

    So stop making up this false narrative by acting like Loma's injury didn't play a huge part in what happened that night. If you do, then you're being intellectually dishonest. He had surgery afterward, no one has surgery for ****s and giggles. Sometimes excuses are valid, now stop doing your best imitation of a Mayweather fanboy.
     
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  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    You gotta be trolling me if you think the only disadvantage Pac had was a health and skill defecit. Try height, reach, size, ring age, etc. The only advantage Pac had was chronological age (rendered useless because of his advanced ring years) and power.
     
  3. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think it was between Round 4 and 5 and the camera focus on Ramirez and he had this dumb, goofy defeated look on his face.
     
  4. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah i bet you could tell after the very first round that this fight was done, Ramirez always has that look, he was googly eyeing Bivol all week & had that smirk like he was actually going to do something that Bivol wasn't ready for,

    But as usual Boxing delivers,

    No wonder people you have been watching Boxing for years seem uninterested & jaded, we've seen all the bs before....
     
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  5. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Take Froch & the Old version of pity pat Kovalev out & that's a good list, agree with your point on Ramierz.
     
  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I prefer to think of young Kovalev. Old Vodka soaked Kovalev has been purged from my memory.
     
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  7. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Same here, always felt bad about the way they underpromoted him throughout his Career & the way they jobbed him out against Ward.
     
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  8. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No need for a scorecard,

    Underwhelming match, but it doesn't fall on Bivol as he came ready & looked good, if anything Shame on Zurdo's lack of heart or effort, you can have all the attributes but it means nothing if your missing the thing that matters most which comes from the inside,

    Seemed like Ramirez was all talk after all....
     
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  9. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both Pacquiao & Loma should have postponed their bouts & gone on to have their surgeries,

    Your probably one of the very few that actually even acknowledges Pacquiao's Shoulder being injured, as most if not all usually pretend it never happened at all as well as the part where Floyd was controlling the drug testing with USADA while injecting his hands all while getting caught masking with an IV,

    Guess that gets completely ignored & overlooked, Whatever helps the narrative i guess.
     
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  10. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Yeah... just like Loma was at a ring age, size, height, reach, power deficit against Lopez. Is it exactly the same? No, but what is? It's in the ballpark. The reality is, you're being an irrational hater, just like all of the Mayweather fanboys, trying to grasp at anything in an effort to undermine Loma and make believe that his injury played no part in that poor showing. You've turned into the very people you hate. Congrats.
     
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  11. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wow, missed this post,

    You summed it up well there, Pacquiao really was at every disadvantage & still a Juiced up Floyd wasn't even able to beatdown, drop, hurt, buzz or even deter the smaller man from coming forward all night,

    Just goes to show the levels between them two in reality.
     
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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  13. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    I don't think Ramirez actually lacked heart or effort. He tried the whole time. What he lacked was skill. He was one dimensional throughout the bout and did not really have a Plan B when Plan A failed.

    One of the things about boxers like Usyk, Lomachenko, Bivol and others is that if their movement with both hands and feet befuddle a boxer most guys don't know what to do. I believe Ramirez fell into that category.