Do any of you actually have a top 100 ATG list?

Kevin Jesus · Nov 14, 2010

Are you guys like 100 years old or something?

How can you name Pacquiao as a top 10-25 ATG? It's ridiculous.

Stop copy and pasting some one else's ATG list, or Burt Sugar's ATG list and altering the names around to make it look like your own. You have not seen tapes/fights of half the fighters in that list.

It was also harder back in the day because there were less bull**** weight divisions and fighters fought over 100 times.

I call BS on most of you who claim Pacquiao is a top 25 ATG. Until you go over each and every single fighter from when boxing started until now, you have no say on who the top 100 all time great fighters are.

I'm a big Floyd fan[yeah a *****, whatever] but you'll never see me adding Floyd to an imaginary top 25 ATG list, because I don't have one, and i'm not going to copy and paste some old boxing historians list either. Like a lot of you do.

Pacquiao is a good fighter, beating other good fighters. Clottey is not an ATG, far from a great fighter at that, Margarito is not an ATG[ATG's are not 5-1 underdogs lol], Cotto is not great, he's not an ATG, Hatton is no ATG, DLH is a Hall of Famer, David Diaz the only fighter Pacquiao fought at 135 for his "legendary" Lightweight title fight is barely a good fighter.

The last great fighters I can say Pacquiao fought was Marquez[which he lost at least 1 of those fights, to many people he lost both], Morales[2-1], and Barrera 2-0 some claim MAB was past his best but I disagree]. That's 3 great fighters. How can you be a top 25 ATG by beating 3 great fighters in almost 60 pro fights? That's a slap in the face to the sport of boxing.

rapscalion · Nov 14, 2010

Hell no its impossible to make one.

Kevin Jesus · Nov 14, 2010

From 135 to 160 was only 3 weight divisions. Now from 135 to 160 there's 5 weight divisions.

Also the smallest weight class was 112lbs.

Now there's 87 weight divisions.

It's pathetic how from 122 to 130 there's 3 weight divisions alone. Lol like why not add another division between 140-147? and another one between 147-154[150 LOL]. Let's add another one between 154-160, 160-168 as well. We'll have 10 division champions every day :rofl

larrysmith · Nov 14, 2010

some say mannys top 5..please let me see those lists..

PetethePrince · Nov 14, 2010

Yeah, it can be a sort of guesstimation. Some people have their own lists, but nothing is set in stone. You're calling bull**** on a lot of people who claim he's a top 5-10 lock that's for sure. Well, you are even for me because none of this **** in set and stone and I truly don't know the entire history of the sport. Most people don't, and there is always an area they're more weak in. It's hard to really translate and balance it all. Judging greatness within your own time is very tricky. Pac clearly stands atop this era, though. We can't take that away from him.

Boom_Boom · Nov 14, 2010

Alright Jesus...make a top 25 ATG list that doesnt have Pacquiao since its he clealry isnt to you.

Go ahead we'll wait.

Marnoff · Nov 14, 2010

Yawn. It's called "research".

project x · Nov 14, 2010

manny is in my top 25 atg list,stop hating *****

salsanchezfan · Nov 14, 2010

It's kind of a masturbatory exercise really, these lists.......I mean, we all have those we acknowledge as being sort of the top echelon of greatness, but to sit there and ponder the difference between a perceived #38 on the list versus a #45........I mean, come on. Give it up, it means nothing.

larrysmith · Nov 14, 2010

lets see these lists

Ukansodoff · Nov 14, 2010

Its all down to personal opinion, you dont need to cry if somebody adds fighters you dont agree with. Ive never made one, dont see the point but if i was to make one both Manny and Mayweather would be taken into consideration for a place.

asero · Nov 14, 2010

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Harry Greb
5. Sam Langford
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Joe Louis
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Roberto Duran
10. Willie Pep

11. Benny Leonard
12. Ray Leonard
13. Pernell Whitaker
14. Archie Moore
15. Mickey Walker
16. Bob Fitzsimmons
17. Joe Gans
18. Carlos Monzon
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Barney Ross

21. Gene Tunney
22. Rocky Marciano
23. Barbados Joe Walcott
24. Alexis Arguello
25. Kid Gavilan
26. Julio Cesar Chavez
27. Sandy Saddler
28. Jimmy Wilde
29. Roy Jones Jr
30. Bernard Hopkins

31. Tony Canzoneri
32. Thomas Hearns
33. Charley Burley
34. Ike Williams
35. Emile Griffith
36. Jack Johnson
37. Lennox Lewis
38. Evander Holyfield
39. Eder Jofre
40. Jack Dempsey

41. Salvador Sanchez
42. Stanley Ketchel
43. Jose Napoles
44. Ruben Olivares
45. Michael Spinks
46. Jimmy McLarnin
47. Floyd Mayweather Jr
48. Tommy Loughran
49. Carlos Ortiz
50. Larry Holmes

51. Fighting Harada
52. Wilfredo Gomez
53. Bob Foster
54. Billy Conn
55. Dick Tiger
56. Panama Al Brown
57. George Foreman
58. Joe Frazier
59. Ted Kid Lewis
60. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
61. Oscar De La Hoya
62. Aaron Pryor
63. Mike Tyson
64. Terry McGovern
65. Tommy Ryan
66. Abe Attel
67. Jack Britton
68. Ricardo Lopez
69. Tiger Flowers
70. Kid Chocolate
71. Jake LaMotta
72. Manuel Ortiz
73. Carmen Basilio
74. Carlos Zarate
75. Wilfred Benitez

76. Erik Morales
77. Marco Antonio Barrera
78. Felix Trinidad
79. Shane Mosley
80. Pancho Villa
81. Azumah Nelson
82. Jim Jeffries
83. Packey McFarland
84. Marcel Cerdan
85. Miguel Canto
86. Pascual Perez
87. Juan Manuel Marquez
88. Vicente Saldivar
89. Gene Fullmer
90. Mike McCallum
91. Flash Elorde
92. Holman Williams
93. George Dixon
94. Joe Calzaghe
95. Harry Wills
96. John Dundee
97. Lloyd Marshall
98. Jim Driscoll
99. Sonny Liston
100. Beau Jack

Davo · Nov 14, 2010

ATG lists are generally ******ed (see above). You cannot compare guys who fought over 50 rounds with a different structure of weight classes to today. Guys who fought mal-nurished during depressions and worked full-time jobs during their careers. Guys who trained by chucking a medicine ball. Guys fighting during a period where there was no tape to watch and often walked into the ring knowing nothing more about their opponent than his name. Some of which you have probably never seen fight.

It's all just a load of bull****.

Zakman · Nov 14, 2010

Davo said: ↑

ATG lists are generally ******ed (see above). You cannot compare guys who fought over 50 rounds with a different structure of weight classes to today. Guys who fought mal-nurished during depressions and worked full-time jobs during their careers. Guys who trained by chucking a medicine ball. Guys fighting during a period where there was no tape to watch and often walked into the ring knowing nothing more about their opponent than his name. Some of which you have probably never seen fight.

It's all just a load of bull****.
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Agreed. They are largely bull****, largely subjective, and in their specifics often not very defensible. But so what? Everybody pretty much knows this. What these lists do is form the basis for some of the discussion and debate that is the lifeblood of much sport discussion, including boxing.

Let me put it to this way, what you would prefer, a forum filled with threads about historical rankings and hypothetical matchups or one devoted solely to shittalking between "nuthuggers" and "haters." Remember if there are no arguments over rankings, SOMETHING has to take its place. That something could be INFINITELY worse.

Davo · Nov 14, 2010

Zakman said: ↑

Agreed. They are largely bull****, largely subjective, and in their specifics often not very defensible. But so what? Everybody pretty much knows this. What these lists do is form the basis for some of the discussion and debate that is the lifeblood of much sport discussion, including boxing.

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Remember if there are no arguments over rankings, SOMETHING has to take its place. That something could be INFINITELY worse.
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Great point. :good

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