Do bad decisions (aka GGG) chase away new fans?

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  1. j0hn0

    j0hn0 double up on the jab Full Member

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    Regardless of whether or not it was close, there was a solid enough majority who thought GGG won that it's getting the label 'robbery' on social media. This isnt a case of 'any press is good press'.About every 5th comment on twitter about it is 'this is why boxing is dead' or 'this is why i watch mma'.

    I really do think that this is chasing away both new boxing fans AND new boxers. I started in boxing as a kid because i was a fan. Same reason a lot of us did. If there are no fans, there are far fewer boxers. To say nothing of no fans=no sport. I really worry about the future of the sport. I feel like this is said every time there is a decision like this and people say 'dont be an alarmist'. But I have been forcing friends to sit down in front of a TV and watch fights for a long time. Its much harder explaining how great boxing is when the winner doesnt win. They go back to turning on the Mavericks and the Cowboys. Both of whom suck. Texas (being so close to mexico) SHOULD be a boxing oasis. but it really isnt. Gym's are few and far between, and are mostly MMA.
     
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  2. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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  3. Antigoon

    Antigoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think bad decisions aren't exactly a new thing, just maybe the internet, youtube & forums and such, make it so much easier to rewatch fights, discuss them on forums such as this etc... It reinforces opinions that might otherwise be isolated. These days, whatever freak opinion or conviction one has, you'll always be able to find others that share it, and thereby validating your freakness.
    I started watching boxing in the 80's and short of buying boxing magazines and recording fights on a vcr, you were left with your initial impression of the fight and what was written in the papers the next morning. Today we've got polls on forums, reviews on yt, twitter stuff and compilations of press scorecards just hours after a fight.
    But bad decisions aren't new in boxing imo
     
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  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No I don't, it probably attracts more due to the controversy. I also notice it's mainly the casual fans who had Canelo winning the fight.
     
  5. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    It's damaging to the sport. To be honest, as far as current boxing fandom, I think it may turn some fans away from the sport but most boxing fans have already seen this a million times, it's nothing new. We're used to it.

    But these kind of big boxing PPV events are a chance to gain new fans or turn some casuals into more hardcore types. And PPVs especially need to deliver all in all, otherwise people will feel scammed for their money. It needs to be a good fight with a good result. If a fight results in a robbery, it will leave people with a bitter aftertaste and just spoil the whole evening, if it's a **** fight, well not much needs to be said there.

    And in these last few years' PPVs, we've seen more controversy or garbage fights than anything else. Whereas MMA just keeps going strong with their shows. So yeah, it sets boxing back for sure.
     
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  6. channy

    channy 4.7.33 banned Full Member

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    No.
    Because they don't know any different.
    They still think man walked on the moon.
     
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  7. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just to clarify. It was not a "bad decision", just a a decision that didn't match yours. Get over it.
     
  8. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    maybe.. if you don't know boxing it might. I don't think it was a bad decision.. I gave it to Canelo 6-5-1
     
  9. mthez

    mthez Active Member banned Full Member

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    You mean UFC meat heads? Nah...they are fickle idiots. This win got more fans (Latinos into the boxing gym) And they generally are true long term fans going back from generations. 99% of GGG fans were UFC fickle fans, We dont need that trash in boxing.

    OP go cry into your cereal lol
     
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  10. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Idiot hypocrites like you who have no idea how to score a fight are the ones driving away new fans. Even if you idiots are a majority that doesn't make you right, and all your bitching and fanboy-ism is what is making casuals think the sport is broken.

    Stop being a whiny ***** and educate yourself.

    Ring Generalship and Effective Aggression exist in boxing.
     
  11. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    Canelo won easily.
     
  12. ATG22

    ATG22 Active Member Full Member

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    Hi BHop.
     
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  13. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hard to say, I don't think it effects numbers on big fights, we've seen it many times and it hasn't made a difference.

    Bad scoring, circus shows, fighters thrown into fights where they are injured or shouldn't be in the ring, cheating etc and it carries on with very little ramifications.

    People also love controversy so often it can lead to more people watching. In our world people get pissed off then move onto the next thing and forget about it. Emotions are short term.

    I guess the one thing it may effect is how many casual fans turn over into hardcore's. Seeing **** decisions may just completely put them off till the next big event comes around whereas getting full satisfaction may interest them into watching that smaller show the week after. It's almost impossible to tell though and likely doesn't have a far reaching influence on the sport as a whole.

    They've been getting away with this and far worse for decades. I'll not bother going back too far in time as the corruption was different although still very much there, it's just adapted to meet the times but last 20-30 years:

    Oliver McCall is taken out of a mental institute to sell a rematch with a promoters new golden child. McCall has a mental breakdown live on TV in the ring, nothing happens.

    Antonio Margarita loads his gloves and beats Miguel Cotto into a disformed mess (very likely), he then gets caught prior to his next fight with Shane Mosley. He gets a one year ban then is given a career high payday with then one of two PPV kings Manny Pacquiao.

    Floyd Mayweather is caught using illegal diuretics before the biggest fight of this century. They give him permission after the fight has took place and brush it under the carpet. The same fight Manny Pacquiao admits to taking the fight injured. Nothing happens.

    Mike Alvorado comes into a third fight with Brandon Rios clearly suffering from some sort of substance abuse issues and facing jail. He's beaten with ease and the fight pulled early, nothing happens.

    Mike Tyson bites the ears of his opponent on live TV. Reviews Rev year ban, comes back and is rewarded with then biggest fight in many years, he celebrates by biting his opponents leg.

    Saul Alvarez loses every single round to Floyd Mayweather, one judge scores it a draw and is suspended and then retires. This is a year after scoring the Pacquaio- Bradley fight to Bradley in what is classed as robbery of the year. Bradley enjoys a trilogy with Pacquiao and Alvarez continues to get cards scored with near shut outs in every fight matterless of how conpetitive they are. Nothing happens.

    I could go on and on but the point is that a bad scorecard doesn't really have a huge effect. The worst effect it will have is making negotiations for other fights harder (e.g. Wilder Joshua) as promoters will.want more money for the risk.
     
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  14. Robney

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    It didn't matter as much before, while it happened over and over again in the past.

    There are still boxfans that claim that Ali legitimately beat Norton in their 3rd fight, despite Ali's own comments about that abomination. It didn't really chase fans away, some even celebrated the way fights were scored in his favor.

    Nowadays though there's this massive social media thing that might make it pretty damaging though.
     
  15. j0hn0

    j0hn0 double up on the jab Full Member

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    yeah this is exactly what i was thinking. i know a few people who are aware of the very top names in the sport, (aka 'do manny and mayweather still fight??'). the way i imagine those people become more serious fans , assuming they didnt grow up in the sport, are to get curious or interested in some major PPV event. when they turn out (TWICE) like ggg/canelo did, it has to be a turn off/feel like a waste of 80 bucks.