Do boxers actually think in the ring or is most of it muscle memory/instinct?

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Do boxers actually think in the ring or is most of it muscle memory/instinct?

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  1. Yes, boxers actually think in the ring

    28.9%
  2. No, most of it muscle memory/instinct

    13.2%
  3. Both

    52.6%
  4. Other(comment below)

    5.3%
  1. Boxingiq2020

    Boxingiq2020 Active Member Full Member

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    What do you guys think?
     
  2. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Bit of both, you might enjoy looking into phantoms punches and how they work. Beyond Ali. Just in general how a phantom punch works. There's plenty of baits whose pay off come later, others are hoped on.

    Marciano hit Walcott with a phantom overhead but dropped him by waiting for him to try his own sucka punch.
     
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  3. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    I'm not a boxer and I've never boxed but I would think that being on the offensive has a lot to do with thought while defense and counter punching may be more muscle memory related.
     
  4. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    No, boxers don't shut off their conscious thought during fights, they're not zen monks, they still think lol. The trouble is keeping their thoughts focused on the game-plan and what's happening in the ring, maintaining such a concentrated amount of focus for such a long amount of time is no easy feat.
     
  5. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Both, I do think of strategies to set my opponent up or “trap him” but I mostly react on muscle memories, most of my KO’s have came from muscle memories.
     
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  6. Arch Stanton

    Arch Stanton When you have to shoot, shoot!, don't talk...... Full Member

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    AJ for an example, thinks way too much.....
     
  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  8. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Both, they need a game plan and have to mix things up to keep their opponents guessing. When things start getting tough though, it’s mainly muscle memory. Just yesterday during sparring a guy was putting on a lot of pressure and I threw a hard check hook without even thinking. That’s why the training is so repetitive, they need to install those natural fighting instincts.
     
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  9. DoctorJones

    DoctorJones Member Full Member

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    I have been in some hard sparrings and yes there is both, but I definitely had more success when I was thinking
    For example the right hand that Shavers used to KD Holmes with the feint on the jab was definitely something he prepared
     
  10. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member

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    You work hours in the gym to get that muscle memory. Now the thinking part is figuring out your opponents and letting your punches flow naturally.
     
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  11. DJN16

    DJN16 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both in my experience. Its very psychological. My mood usually determined my performances.
     
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  12. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    the real time decisions become more important as your skill level gets better. at elite level, most of your responses are second nature, so you begin to think steps ahead based on what you see in front of you. you calculate which of your responses would work best based on what your opponent is showing you. at the lower levels its more repetition. just keep doing what your coach is telling you is gonna work.
     
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  13. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Speaking from experience having fought in the amateurs and still doing a lot of sparring I will say both.
    A lot of the time in the am's you don't really know the guy you are fighting and it is only 3x2mins so you don't have as much time to think you go out and fight with what you know. Some times you will notice a pattern of what the other guy is doing so you will adjust quickly.
    I find in sparring especially when you are sparring the same guys often and for a lot more rounds you can think a lot more in there as there is more time and you are in less danger than an actual fight.

    I think for pro fighters especially at a high level in 10 to 12 round fights where you have had a camp preparing for a specific opponent there is more time to think.
     
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  14. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The conscious mind is doing all the thinking but the subconscious mind is doing all the heavy-lifting.
     
  15. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mostly muscle memory/instinct, HOWEVER, some changes happen LIVE although I believe most happen between rounds. Look at a master technician like Floyd and the ways in which he made adjustments. After getting walloped TWICE by Mosley in R2 he was never hit cleanly again the entire rest of fight and actually walked Shane down. Those adjusrments came BETWEEN rounds. Same can be said for when Maidana (2nd fight) badly hurt Floyd at the bell w a counter right hand. Floyd was not hit w that punch again. But Floyd also made adjustments on the fly like when Manny hurt him in R4 or R6. Floyd also had a lot of offensive adjustments like his punch selection versus Ortiz which seemed to evolve live time or his battering of Gatti which just seemed to flow.

    Floyd was a terrific athlete and tactician and recovery was one of his best attributes as well as poise. He recovered so well after being hurt AND he had the poise, calmness, and presence of mind between rounds to make strategical changes. Sometimes changes happened DURING rounds but many big changes happen when boxers can rest, take a mental break, and kind of reset. Its much easier to complete math problems at your desk w some music or quiet on than it is when your desk is placed on the edge of a skyscraper.