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Do boxers lift weights? I’m assuming low weight high reps?

Discussion in 'Boxing Training / Amateurs' started by ClassicRon, May 1, 2018.



  1. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Okay, well every expert in the world has advanced the application of weight training to athletes through thousands of peer reviewed studies practically applied to performance at the highest level. There is evidence on top of evidence that you can’t undo. How do you increase strength without load? Simple physics tells you that is impossible. You adapt to the stress you apply. I don’t think you come anywhere near to understanding all the different physiological mechanisms weight training works on. I don’t think you understand even the most basic physiological principles and facts. And yet you want to reinvent the wheel. There is no such thing as a mechanical break. I think you mentioned something in the past about the heel. Yes you need your heel on the ground when overcoming inertia, to use your largest muscles. That’s why you drive through your heel in the weight room when you’re squatting and deadlifting. Then when you run you have more neural drive and muscle mass powering your movement. You frame everything in the context of jogging and lactate.
    I don’t care what you were doing 30 years ago, I care about the evidence we have from our most recent studies that has built upon everything in the last 30 years. I care about what the experts in the field all around the world are practically applying with success to the most elite athletes. If you talk to anybody with half a clue they’ll laugh you out of the building if you claim that an athlete shouldn’t lift weights. There is even comprehensive evidence now that weight training is essential for endurance athletes, marathon runners. The increased stiffness of tendons provides a mechanical advantage in terms of economy and efficiency, and helps prevent injuries. There is large and growing empirical evidence for that. I’m not talking about a vertical treadmill as an alternative in the rehab stage, I’m talking about actual performance in athletes.
    If your vertical treadmill had some potential for additive performance increases in healthy athletes then you would have studies on that, you’ve had ten years on here talking about your uni connections. The reason there isn’t is because there is literally no theoretical mechanism for what you claim. If you read a basic undergrad textbook you would know that you’re talking nonsense. I don’t know about your mental state, but I find it hard to believe that you’re not aware of this. If you are aware then you’re extremely dishonest and unethical trying to steer people away from things that are proven to help.
     
  2. scrap

    scrap Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe in resistance, but get better results with other methods, and get amazing athletic results, throughout different Sports, thats what Im told, Lots of the stuff has been copied, nice to see. Lots of the stuff you talk about in the last 10 years is being a lot less used, probably because people are realizing its wrong, think they are wising up, Ive worked with National squads it Board me, Like it did with all the others there. including the Athletes. But I agree you must have resistance, its imperative, its what type of resistance and why, is the question. Do you do 30 press ups, or 1 press up lasting 2 minutes
     
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    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You do a bench Press with a challenging load, or push ups with weight on your back. You know, progressive overload? 30 Press ups just means the load isn’t sufficient to induce any strength/power gains, and doing a painfully slow rep has nothing to do with anything and is a complete waste of time. That’s basically a plank, which has no transferable benefits to anything.
    So within that you claimed that weights are being used less, and some alternative form of resistance is being used. So you’ve been told? You’ve worked with national athletes? I work with International athletes, Olympic medallist’s on a day to day basis. Guess what, they all lift weights. Things aren’t wrong or right, there’s a million different ways to use weights in all different contexts to produce different physiological adaptations. The only ‘wrong’ thing is claiming that weights aren’t needed or that there’s some magical alternative. That’s the equivalent of saying someone doesn’t need to eat or sleep. You can argue about the details but to say an athlete doesn’t need weights is to ignore all the evidence and the process of every serious athlete in the world. Nobody could ‘realise that weights are wrong’ because before you could ignore the piles of scientific evidence you’d first have to define the parameters with very specific variables, and then you still couldn’t make the general claim that ‘weights are wrong’ because you would only be talking about a very specific example in a specific individual.
     
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    scrap Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Get your point, but I prefer Bands and Elastic sailing rope, with a bit of imagination some wonderful things can be achieved, for strength flexibility and movement, which cant be done with weights.Oh the 2 minute Press up move an inch every 10 secs, theres some very interesting adaptions going on
     
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    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We put bands and chains on weights to compensate for the easier parts of movement. Bands by themselves aren’t much use. There is empirical evidence showing that weights improve flexibility, and of course movement. Look at the strength and flexibility of an Olympic weightlifter.
    What adaptations? You don’t have a heavy load, you’re not moving anything fast, it’s not even an isometric movement. It’s in the middle with no purpose, stressing nothing.
     
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    scrap Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you work with Olympic Medalist, and you dont know Jacks about Lactate, behave yourself, think you should do a bit more reading, on things that matter. Have you actually been in a Gym.
     
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    scrap Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This might Help you
     
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    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know all about lactate, but it’s almost completely irrelevant to anything to do with strength and power. You didn’t answer, what adaptations to a slow push up?
     
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    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had a quick skim through that. He’s talking about basic physiological adaptations to exercise, so what? The things he mentioned I learned about back in my undergrad degree.
    You still haven’t come anywhere near explaining what your treadmill has to do with strength and power. What do you think lactate has to do with strength and power/weight training? Why is that so hard for you to answer?
     
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    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Guys guys, no need for an Olympic weightlifter to lift weights. I’ve found a better way, I moved on from weights 30 years ago, touch and feel combined with mechanical break. Hmm problem, smart people knew, I listened to Osteopath. Lactate repairs quadriplegia, interesting stuff. The eyes injure brain, hang off vertical treadmill fix gravity damage. Front flip kegels develop the oral cavity and breath positions. Me thinks vestibule of mouth is the vestibular system, so mouth misaligned make you go dizzy wizzy. Smart people knew Chiro done told me in 1964. Uni been looking at treadmill for 86 years now, interesting results big stuff coming soon. Moving on treadmill created adaption, cited in 1 low impact rehab journal. Big things happening, bout to revolutioneze sport. Wife annoys the **** out of me so I sit on boxing forum and pretend I’m working, that’s why type same thing for 15 years. Back to the mechanical break, weight makes you slow and weak, best doing push up for 32 minutes, very interesting adaptions. Next Olympic weightlifter and sprint gold medallist won’t lift weights, they just buy my treadmill for 4 easy payments of $299 and beat Hussein Bolt.
     
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    scrap Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you Listen to the video explains it clearly I would have thought,
    Earlier I said Weight lifting was great for Weight lifting, Im starting to think it damages the Brain listening to you, but not mine thankfully, you are sad.
     
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    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It sure doesn’t. Why don’t you try explaining it in your own words.

    Ever noticed how weightlifters can run really fast and jump really high? Ever noticed how high jumpers can jump really high? Ever noticed how sprinters can run really fast? What do they have in common, lifting heavy weights or not?

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    You know I’m not dumb, that’s just your way to dismiss me. Read those articles and stop being so ignorant and arrogant you silly old man. If you learn to be humble you might still have some growing left to do.
     
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    dealt_with Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Scrap, all you have to do is look at your journal article to realise that you’re full of it. It is unresearched despite you pimping out the idea and apparently been in talks with important people for ten years, you have your first bit of research on it published in a rehab journal, the conclusion is that it is comparable to running and low impact in some weekend athletes (they have a very low VO2), so it’s a potential supplementary exercise and rehab tool.
    Yet you want to claim that it replaces weight training? Even your bogus claims about lactate aren’t backed up in that study, yet you talk about a 35% improvement or some other nonsense.
    Here’s your chance to sell it, you can show me how stupid I am and get your product on the market right now!

    I’d be all for encouraging you and trying to point out where/who you can market it to, but I have a real problem with dishonesty. There’s no reason to try and tear down everything that exists to get a spot for your invention, that’s unnecessary. You need to understand what you have and stay in a lane where you can make progress. If you make serious claims you need to back it up with some serious evidence, and the truth does come out. One low impact article in 11 years should give you some idea of what you’ve got. I honestly don’t think it would ever take off because it’s essentially an overpriced version of water running, going to your local pool to take load off and maintain some fitness when you’re injured is a lot cheaper than whatever you’d charge for your cumbersome and expensive invention.
    Instead of making vague posts on boxing forums you could have improved it in some way, and instead of making bogus claims you could have focused on what you can use it for. To your credit it is mildly clever for you to try to market it on a boxing forum (probably soccer forums as well) as there are still sports stuck in the dark ages with weight training, who stick to the belief that there is something wrong or scary about it. And I give you credit for sticking at it, 11 years and no success yet you’re still here plugging away making wild claims. Go and enjoy the rest of your life, from someone who is actually involved in the world of elite sports I promise you that you’re not going to get anywhere with your treadmill. It’s a dud, you’ve made no money and it doesn’t have the potential to be anything other than a supplementary rehab tool. I’m sure people have tried to convey this message to you. Listen to them, listen to me. Relax somewhere and forget about the treadmill, it’s getting sad that you’re still at this.
     
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    Hercules New Member Full Member

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    Diet is 90% please elaborate.
     
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    Hercules New Member Full Member

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    Scrap the following Six reasons to lift heavy.
    1. Fat loss adding muscle, metabolically active tissue, to your body will increase your resting metabolism rate. This can't be done through stretching. Only through loaded movement.
    2. Bone density accomplished through loaded movement.
    3. Strength
    4. Attitude
    5. Lean curves
    6. Injury prevention