Do fans sometimes overestimate the advantage abusing PED`s can give one fighter over another?

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I just saw the reason Morales beat cano was supposedly due to PEDS, so yes. There seems to be the assumption PEDs will make you in to some sort of unbeatable monster.

 

in my opinon yes they do. at times especially when it applies to their favorite fighters being beaten

 

Depends on the PED. And if you listen to any kind of an expert, you realize that the average fan(even hard core) knows jack all about PED's and their effects.
I at one point took a pre-workout supplement(basically a sugar rush) and it made me extremely energetic. While I got to work hard, I didn´t perform any better. Same an be said about some PED's that just help you loose weight, help the recovery, help dehydrate.

The hardcore **** clearly can change a fight(as well as change the athletes physique). But something used to make weight? Could be a different story.

 

Right, so cheating doesn't give you an unfair advantage which is why no one bothers to cheat? Someone should call WADA and tell them they are doing it wrong, lmao.

 

You know the real irony and disgrace of the Ben Johnson story, right? Carl Lewis bad-mouthed Johnson, condemning him for using PEDs. All of the samples were kept and later re-tested and it was found that Lewis was using a PED that could not be detected at the time.

It is the same with meldonium used by Povetkin and Sharapova (in tennis). The drug was legal until just a few years ago. It is actually prescribed to patients with heart and circulation problems. It is not a steroid where it gives you superior strength or bulks you up. It helps the blood circulate better, kind of like Viagra. Politics and Big Pharma play a big role in a lot of these substance bans. The producer of meldonium is not a western company, thus, one could argue, the real reason for the ban.

 

There is a huge liability in sports. If they allow certain drugs then they become responsible. Lots of so called PEDS are used for just cutting weight. An athlete can simply go to the doctor and tell them they have ADHD and get prescribed adderall. Not sure how Boxing works but other sports allow these if they have legal prescriptions.

 

I definitely think PED's make a difference.

I look at it this way, if a certain PED allows you to recover faster during training, you can train to your max every single day. Without it, you would either have to work less, or take more time to recover. If you were doing this and doing endurance training (i.e. Lance Armstrong) by the time fight night comes, your body is used to functioning at a higher level and those effects (even if only temporary) would allow a fighter to push the pace in a fight for longer than they normally would. This is part of the whole cycling (no pun intended) of PEDs.

You can't discount the weight cutting PEDs either though, as apparently they (and other substances) can mask more potent PED use.

I am certainly no expert, but when I see an article on it I am usually interested to read.

 

The real tragedy, though, is that guys are stripped and then it is found out later, too far from the infraction, that his opponent was also using a PED. Like with Armstrong. He was castigated and everything was taken from him when apparently virtually everyone in contention was using a PED in some form. Can you imagine going through what Armstrong went through and then be stripped? Personally, I just think the French could not accept an American dominating their event and sport. Had it been a Frenchman I bet they would have looked the other way.

 

I totally agree with this. You so much as mention Lance Armstrong to a general person and a look of disgust is sure to appear, like he was the only one doing it. These sport governing bodies know that once you give John Q Public a scapegoat to burn at the stake, it is that athlete that takes the brunt of hate and blame, as opposed to the sport itself. The sport even looks better because now it's like "We caught the bad guy folks, rest easy"

When I look back to the Mosley/Delahoya fight (2nd one) you would HAVE to believe Oscar was using PED's as well. That Balco stuff Shane was using was massively potent, yet ODH arguably did better in the secong fight... I mean, sure it's possible ODH fought clean, but not probable.

 

Ugh, you are ignoring the facts and clearly missing the plot. Lance was treated how he was, not because he was an American but because he was a total ass and had beaten the system many times. And he didn't beat the system thru better drugs than everyone else, he had gotten federal money from the USPS sponsorship and his Trek sponsorship and funneled that into a the biggest doping program the world has ever seen or not seen. All this was run under the guidance of the foremost doping doctor in the world. On top of this machine, Lance employed an army of lawyers to squash people and families into submission at the hint of ever speaking out. And going back to how he never got caught officially, its because he took all that money and bribed the UCI and everyone up the chain. It is no wonder that he was never officially caught because he ****ing had advance notice of the testers! Oh and the most ironic thing of all is that it was NOT THE FRENCH that took Lance down. It was the Americans. HAHAHA!~@#$%

Clearly with his system in place he was never going to be brought to justice or be exposed. It's kind of hilariously sad that you two really misunderstand Lance's plight and have taken a defensive approach with him.

 

PEDs are good for putting on muscle, and recovering.

I've heard people talk about Roy Jones Jr, but I don't know of any PEDs that improve your speed and reflexes, that stuff is all neural.

 

Strength and stamina are vastly improved via PEDs.

Speed, reflexes and power for the most part are genetic.

Speaking from personal experience.