Do fighters get more credit for beating a Big Puncher or a Skilled Boxer?

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  1. killa

    killa Active Member Full Member

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    How about I pose this question....what if the fighter is BOTH a big puncher AND skilled? A fighter can be both it's just not too common(Rafael Marquez, Kostya Tszyu, Lennox Lewis, Wladimir/Vitali Klitschko, Bob Foster, Thomas Hearns, Wilfredo Gomez, Alexis Arguello, Joe Louis all come to mind)
     
    killa, Feb 20, 2010
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  2. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let me give some examples.

    Earnie Shavers (big puncher)
    Jimmy Young (skilled boxer)

    I always get the impression that people treat the bigger puncher as the bigger threat while the slickster often takes a back seat. For instance if a fighter were to duck Shavers and fought Young instead the likelihood is it would be accepted more so than if they were to duck Young and fought Shavers instead.

    This is not about Marquez or Margarito by the way.

    This is about the perception that a bigger puncher is often a bigger challenge than fighting a cagey slickster. When it may be the slickster who has your number.
     
    ironchamp, Feb 20, 2010
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  3. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    After the Tyson vs. Holmes/Holyfield vs. Foreman thread I get the impression that it's likely where some answers may lie.
     
    ironchamp, Jan 14, 2011
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  4. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    power without chin/stamina and workrate isnt as effective people need to realize how hard a guy like Marciano trained in order for his punching power to be effective.
     
    RafaelGonzal, Jan 14, 2011
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  5. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I sense this thread is about Pac, in a covert attempt to downplay his recent run of destroying bigger opponents. If it's supposedly that easy, the more skilled Marquez should have no qualms about going up and trying to do the same, especially as he publicly stated he could.

    Also, should we then also have the same expectations for guys fighting at 120-126, like Wilfredo Vasquez Jr (who is the same build as Pac, same height, reach..),.? No chance in hell that will happen. Pac is a once in a lifetime fighter, that's the true reason behind what he's been able to do.

    Anyway, boxing is made up of all styles, and there are elite and successful fighters of all styles. The credit a fighter gets for beating a certain style depends on how highly regarded the opponent is, and how much of a challenge they are seen as.

    For instance, Khan beating Maidana is seen as a bigger accomplishment as Khan beating Kotelnik, even though Kotelnik is the better boxer and beat Maidana.
     
    FORMIDABLE, Jan 14, 2011
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  6. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually you sense wrong.

    I happen to be a Pacquiao fan and I've made several threads and made severals posts that would indicate that. I've even gone ahead and touted him as the modern day Henry Armstrong.

    This thread had more to do with an argument regarding:

    Tyson vs Holmes
    Holyfield vs Foreman


    The Khan example is an excellent one as it denotes the fact that a big strong guy is supposedly a bigger threat than a slickster.

    My position is that people tend to underrate victories over slicksters and overrate wins over punchers because they are viewed as bigger threats.

    Of course I welcome opposing viewpoints.
     
    ironchamp, Jan 14, 2011
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  7. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bump.

    There are some new members in the classic section. Figured I'll bring in a throwback.
     
    ironchamp, Apr 16, 2012
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  8. jeffjoiner

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    To me, it depends on the fighter. I'm sure Khan can out-box most boxers, so I gave him credit for beating Maidana. Conversely, Angulo was perfect for Kirkland who will carry the label "banger" unless he ever beats a boxer.

    In general, more credit goes to beating a guy capable of seperating you from your consciousness, though.
     
    jeffjoiner, Apr 16, 2012
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  9. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In light of the Marciano punching power thread I thought it might make sense to revisit this thread.

    Oldie, hopefully a goodie.

    New Perspectives from new posters are appreciated.
     
    ironchamp, Aug 2, 2013
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  10. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Skilled boxer.

    Reason why?
    They're generally harder to hit. Thus, making them harder to beat.
     
    Ilikeboxing, Aug 2, 2013
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  11. boxingbuff

    boxingbuff Active Member Full Member

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    and you know this for sure?
     
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  12. boxingbuff

    boxingbuff Active Member Full Member

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    is this some type of trick question?

    i mean really
     
    boxingbuff, Aug 2, 2013
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  13. boxingbuff

    boxingbuff Active Member Full Member

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    it depends on sooooooooooo many things.
     
    boxingbuff, Aug 2, 2013
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  14. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not meant to be a trick question.

    I'm not saying beating a slick boxer is better than beating a big puncher or vice versa, what I am saying is in general does the boxing public give more credence to beating a big puncher or a slick boxer?
     
    ironchamp, Aug 2, 2013
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  15. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Throwback thread.
    Where does this stand in 2018?
     
    ironchamp, Apr 6, 2018
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