Do Heavyweights punch harder today...

Who knows, they didn't go that route. Nobody just picks up the basketball and can shoot as if he's been playing for years. And the reverse is different, as height is even more essential in the NBA at least.

Also, who is to say guys like Tyson or Frazier couldn't be football players? Tyson had unbelievable genetics.

What are you on about? People are just born with the ability to be heavyweight champion. Obviously you need athletic ability (Which all these athletes have) and obviously some abilities, albeit natural and skill come along easier. If you have the hand-speed and power, that's a lot in and of it self. Plenty of these guys probably have this. How they are denying this natural talent? You just don't wake as Ali or Tyson. Boxing is dangerous for the long-hall, you make less money, and it's not anywhere near as popular.

NBA, NFL... or boxing. Easy choice for me.

The 180 pound guy are obviously going to be the cruiserweights, and light-heavies. I'm talking the big heavyweights, though.

Nonsense, as if these athletes parents just evaluated their kids talents and saw what they were naturally good at. They're all excellent athletes. If they had their skills honed in a different sport then I believe some have success in boxing. Atlas says basketball background is the best sport to help your boxing.

I guess all the American athletes evaporated from the HW scene in just one big coincidence. Or was it the break down of all those amateur programs? Still helps my point.

Americans have some of the best athletes. They are just not in boxing anymore, for the large part. That's something you can't deny.

2 Points.

1) Immigrants that came went to boxing. These are now the generally Latino fighters.

2) The amateur program isn't the same. American athletes are going toward the popular sports.

 

This I fully believe, but it's a different thing altogether. The gloves make a single blow less concussive, thereby allowing for a fighter to stand up to more blows. This will lead to more lasting damage.

 

Things are not always rational. But there are two sides to this. Swapping boxing gloves for MMA gloves may well decrease long term brain damage, but it would probably mean more sudden deaths in the ring.

So there would then be a rise in fatal incidents receiving a lot of averse attention, but lesser Bowes, Ali, Frazier etc. The singular incidents always get more coverage and creates more opinion, so there is definitely a rationale in trying to primarily aim to avoid those.

 

No. The energy is produced by the body's muscles. A dead object cannnot increase this energy.

Don't know what this is meant to prove. The energy is wasted. It's just like you punch someone to the body who has a heavy coat on. The coat will absorb some of the impact.

It takes energy to make the padding compress. That energy would otherwise be directly transmitted to the area that is struck. It is in that way wasted.

 

What I can say for absolute certain is that it is easy to see how punches with MMA gloves have a more devastating effect.

 

For me it's plain to see from their reactions of one single punch.

Of course less padding and a smaller area of distribution will increase the effect of the blow. Can't really see why we're arguing this.

Wouldn't you object if your sparring partner wore boxing bag gloves instead of regular ones? I would and I know his blows would feel more as well.

I don't think anyone here would see it as an advantage to have bigger gloves than your opponent. There is a simple reason for that.

This is where I bow out. Don't think I can add more.

 

People not infrequently killed in streetfights from a single bareknuckle punch, from non-boxers. Its happened here in NZ quite a lot where David Tua and Jimmy Thunder are kind of normal sized in places like South Auckland
How does Willard keep getting up if Dempsey if such an unsurpassed concussive puncher?

You can see with little MMA gloves where guys get poleaxed from 1 shot, Ray Mercer is a great example and also that Arlovski guy. Maybe the MMA fighters arent quite as used to taking headshots but even so, they drop hard compared to fights with boxing gloves.