Do journeyman boxers lose on purpose?

If you're a journeyman and you win three fights in a row you won't get any work for six months, but if you get knocked out the board bans you fro boxing for a month so journey go in with the aim of losing on points.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33095651 here is a good article by the BBC done today about a journeyman. He says he won a fight drew the next one and he didn't get work for six months.

I've actually boxed myself and been to several pro shows, even when the journeymen win they get ripped off.

Kevin McCauly is a tough game journeyman who comes to win but he gets ripped off all of the time, his fight with Paul Archer being an example.

 

Some guys like Bert Cooper and Emmanuel Augustus were good enough to be solid contenders or low level beltholders, but basically lacked consistency due to poor management and sporadic training habits.

 

They dont get paid to lose but if they beat an up and coming ticket seller, no promoter will look to be booking them again any time soon will they?

 

I disagree about journeymen not getting a fight when they win, that counts for very low level journeymen, the ones who fight at debuts for example. Guys like Darnell Boone and Gbenga Oloukun on the other hand always come to fight, they upset some fighters and that's what makes them interesting test for up-coming prospect.

 

Boone is ridiculous. Some high profile wins as well as thudding losses. Nevertheless he has one of the most star studded resumes in Boxing. If there is some sort of formula to be an effective journeyman in terms of making money and getting decent fights, he definitely utilised it to the max. I mean he's fought Kovalev, Adonis, Ward, Lara, Pascal, Stevens, Vera among other known names. Crazy.

 

atsch

Obviously you're a clueless ****er and you don't understand how the pro game works.

Let me explain the pro game to people.

There are three types of fighters who turn pro:
A) Fighters who have won international amateur titles and/or sell a lot of tickets and fighters who have won national amateur titles as long as they sell a lot of tickets - Promoters like Eddie Hearn, Frank ******, De La Hoya etc. will be interested in signing you if you fit this bracket. e.g Anthony Joshua, Luke Campell, Amir Khan, Frankie Gavin.

B) Fighters who sell a lot of tickets but with little to no amateur pedigree. These fighters will be signed by small hall local promoters. These fighters probably get the least money but they get home advantage and the corrupt decisions that come with it. If you can sell 100 tickets at £30 each that covers your journeyman opponents wage £1000, gives the promoter £1000 and leaves you with £1000 but if you only manage to sell say 70 tickets you will only get £30 yes literally only that on the ticket deal. Examples: Lee Purdy, Nick Blackwell etc.

C) Fighters who don't sell any tickets and haven't won major titles as amateurs. You could have been an ABA national finalist but if you can't sell tickets and no major promoters will sign you, you will have to be the traveling fighter on small hall shows. You will only get a weeks notice for most fights and will have to get a KO to be sure of a win but if you start winning too often small hall promoters will stop giving you the call because they don't want their prospects to be beat. You get a guaranteed purse for each fight but are brought in to lose. Examples: Darnell Boone, Emanuel Augustus and a thousands of less successful guys you've never heard of etc.

 

Much of them do not train well that's why they tend to lose a lot, the majority tend to receive a offer with very short notice and only trains to cut weight, when they manage to get a fight with a decent amount of time, they manage to pull and upset or give the opponent (mostly inexperienced prospects) hell.

 

A lot of people have pointed out reasons why journeymen generally lose; overmatched, late notice ,etc. I imagine a few do take a dive, also.

However, a another reason is that these guys fight regularly (once or twice a month. Sometimes more) so If they get KO'ed they usually can't fight for a bit afterwards. It is one month in the UK. Because of this, these guys don't necessarily go in to lose...if they hurt their opponent they do try to finish them off...it is more that they go in to survive. Not getting KO'ed or taking much damage means that they can recover quick and fight soon afterwards.

 

They do care if they win or lose... And most of them TRY to lose. A guy who has lost many many fights, will get lots of reliable work. Most of these guys got to a point in their career where they realized: "I am X age, and I'm still not that good, so I probably will never make money in a title/televised bout."

So the best way to make money is to be a journey man. I mean, the promoter doesn't call them up and say "hey can you lose this fight on saturday?"

The journey man knows that if he begins to WIN fights, he will get those calls anymore. He can never get a title fight with a record of 20-55 or w/e, so might as well work on the defense aspect of the craft, so they can survive the longest, and make a decent amount of money.