Do Marquez and Cotto get a Pass for trying to Weight drain opponents?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by JohnAnthony, Aug 31, 2012.


Page 3 of 5
  1. bobotnaman

    bobotnaman ★★★★☆ Full Member

    3,884
    1
    Sep 8, 2011
    look at Ortiz and Mosley in the above picture.. those are natural WW, see how they weigh 160+ at fight night?

    look at Marquez, Pac and Floyd in the above picture. they're fighting above their natural weight class.
     
    bobotnaman, Aug 31, 2012
    bobotnaman, Aug 31, 2012
    #31
  2. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

    9,988
    4
    Jul 9, 2010
    ##what is true is some pac fans actually got banned from this site for percieved trolling for suggested Manny beats Cotto, Clottey, Margo, Hatton, Mosley etc. They actually got banned.

    Now apparently they are all cherry picks.
     
    JohnAnthony, Aug 31, 2012
    JohnAnthony, Aug 31, 2012
    #32
  3. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,926
    0
    May 17, 2011
    Manny only weighs 148 lbs on fight night.. 1 pound over the welterweight limit.. :smoke
     
    LordJomski, Aug 31, 2012
    LordJomski, Aug 31, 2012
    #33
  4. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,926
    0
    May 17, 2011
    And to answer the thread title, yes they do.. :smoke
     
    LordJomski, Aug 31, 2012
    LordJomski, Aug 31, 2012
    #34
  5. ThaWiseJester

    ThaWiseJester Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,401
    1
    Mar 28, 2009
    They didn't do it for a catch weight to steal a title,I think that is the big difference,and when Margarito was not drained like Cotto and Oscar,so scenario is different..
     
    ThaWiseJester, Aug 31, 2012
    ThaWiseJester, Aug 31, 2012
    #35
  6. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,121
    22
    Aug 25, 2009
    Isn't that fake since, I thought Mosley vs Pacquaio was on showtime not HBO?
     
    weegriffin, Aug 31, 2012
    weegriffin, Aug 31, 2012
    #36
  7. Bane

    Bane Let the games begin Full Member

    958
    0
    Aug 20, 2012
    Don't try that ****

    DLH looked ****, Freddie himself said he didn't look great, THEY ALSO FOUGHT AT 147 WHERE HE HADNT FOUGHT IN 8 YEARS. don't twist things

    Cotto was brutally ****ed up by Margarito, a lot of people thought Clottey beat him/was a draw, he looked shopworn

    Hatton was brutally ktfo by Mayweather and had drink/drug problems

    Marquez looked horrible above 140 previously

    Margarito got brutally ktfo by shane (prior to this, Freddie said 'we'll see how he looks against Shane)

    Nothing wrong with the Bradley fight at all

    Dont try to twist things, I have never said Pac fights crap fighters, have that argument with someone else.

    HOWEVER. As evidenced by a video of Freddie Roach saying as much, Pac has a history of fighting fighters when they have looked bad or had devastating losses or been exposed, he also has a history of fighting at catchweights with the purpose of trying to make his opponent work/train to lose weight

    It's irrefutable
     
    Bane, Aug 31, 2012
    Bane, Aug 31, 2012
    #37
  8. ThaWiseJester

    ThaWiseJester Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,401
    1
    Mar 28, 2009
    If he fought Mosley and Shane came in at 164,why can't he fight Cotto at 154?
     
    ThaWiseJester, Aug 31, 2012
    ThaWiseJester, Aug 31, 2012
    #38
  9. Bane

    Bane Let the games begin Full Member

    958
    0
    Aug 20, 2012
    I don't care about peple being banned.

    They are a cherrypicks because Freddie himself SAID he would not fight certain fighters unless they looked bad, or at a catchweight, from his own mouth, not mine

    Thats the definition of a cherrypick
     
    Bane, Aug 31, 2012
    Bane, Aug 31, 2012
    #39
  10. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

    9,988
    4
    Jul 9, 2010
    no what your doing is something you can do with every resume in history to fit an agenda.

    No fighter is ever 100% so you can discredit anywin in history by doing what your doing.

    the sad thing is you actually believe it.

    Cotto was fine after margo. he looked great destoying jennings, and going toe to toe with clottey was always going to have cos clottes is a very tough welter on the same level as clottey just without the publicity.

    DLH looked fine. Not great but fine. If he didn't then he wouldnt have been such a massive betting favourite.

    the fact is Manny beat Cotto and Hatton and very good versions of both.
     
    JohnAnthony, Aug 31, 2012
    JohnAnthony, Aug 31, 2012
    #40
  11. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

    9,988
    4
    Jul 9, 2010

    cotto wasn't drained. oscar was but that was oscar that made that fight.

    He wwas supposed to be cherry picking manny is a superfight.

    Not manny's fault he didnt play by the rules
     
    JohnAnthony, Aug 31, 2012
    JohnAnthony, Aug 31, 2012
    #41
  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,551
    21,925
    Sep 15, 2009
    meh catchweights have happened consistently throughout history. I just wanna see the best fight the best.
     
    lufcrazy, Aug 31, 2012
    lufcrazy, Aug 31, 2012
    #42
  13. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

    9,988
    4
    Jul 9, 2010

    freddie is the trainer, he has no say in who manny fights.

    Go back in time and suggest manny is cherrypicking oscar, cotto and dlhoya. You will ot only be laughed out of here, you'd be banned.
     
    JohnAnthony, Aug 31, 2012
    JohnAnthony, Aug 31, 2012
    #43
  14. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

    9,988
    4
    Jul 9, 2010

    He stated after Margo fight he took his body too far. He doesn't want to go above 147 again cos his body can't cope.

    People are asking for the cotto fight so they are seeing what can be done, but manny stated after margo fight he can't fight above 147 anymore,his body cant take it.

    I think thats understandable for a fighter that started at 106
     
    JohnAnthony, Aug 31, 2012
    JohnAnthony, Aug 31, 2012
    #44
  15. Bane

    Bane Let the games begin Full Member

    958
    0
    Aug 20, 2012
    If Freddie has no say in who is picked who does?
     
    Bane, Aug 31, 2012
    Bane, Aug 31, 2012
    #45
Page 3 of 5