Instance being they expect joshua to unify the entire division in under 25 fights or else he's a cowardly ducker and a disgrace to the sport of boxing. I was watching a doco on the 3 kings of the 90s (lewis, tyson, evander) and how long it took to make the fights between them. I think modern fans would have had a heart attack if they were around back then.
I wrote an article on this 2 years ago. Note the references to Horn and Sor Rungvisai, before anyone knew their names on here. https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...should-outweigh-instant-gratification.563965/ -------------------- The Attention Deficit Disorder Generation, or at this point everybody, is kind of ruining the prospect of any Boxer having a legacy that's even close to being worth a damn, because we all want everything now, now, now, like a bunch of children. Yet at the same time everybody always longs for the good old days, when Boxers were Gods among Men, it has to be one or the other, because the current model simply does not allow potential legends to slowly take shape and grow over the course of a decade or two anymore. Its all about the ratings, its all about getting the most bang for your buck, legacy be damned, everybody wants the best to fight the best all of the time, well that's just not feasible. After all what are the B and C level fighters to do if they aren't even valued enough to be there to test the new young lions on their way up, and expose a few along the way. How else are these said young lions suppose to get the much needed experience to help them with future far trickier opponents, and all the while when they are toppling these gatekeepers and former contenders, their legacy grows with each and every one of them, and their resumes get greatly enhanced along the way. What happened to prospects facing other prospects to separate the contenders from the pretenders, there's no time for that anymore, or maybe its just the promoters don't have enough faith in their guy to put him in there with another unproven guy that might be better than everyone thinks he is. So in this article I'm going to touch on a few scenarios that are being bandied about that I think are flat out silly and borderline egregious when it comes to the long term legacy of a lot of new fighters longing to make their potentially iconic mark on the sport. Okay I'll get Errol Spence out of the way first, he's fought Chris Van Heerden, Phil Lo Greco and Chris Algieri and already the hype machine is off the charts, many on this site and various internet writers are proposing that he is already fully capable of taking out Thurman, Brook, Porter and even Pacquiao, Mayweather and Canelo, who knows, maybe he can, but what's the rush? So far he has 3 decent C level fighters on his resume who would all also lose to the other top fighters in the division, and most likely by KO, and based on the wins over these 3, the fans want to see him take on the best already, and what if he isn't ready and is badly embarrassed and exposed? He'll be dropped like a rotten egg and shunned by the incredibly fickle fans who will automatically pretend like thy never liked him to start with, like the fakes they are. I have a better idea, Spence should face a few former still decent contenders, let's see him against Andre Berto, Leonard Bundu, Devon Alexander, Victor Ortiz, Robert Guerrero, Humberto Soto, Roberto Garcia, Lamont Peterson or Carlos Molina all of them are names, all of them are wily veterans, all of them will give him the experience he needs to better prepare him for the future. That brings me to his fellow contenders, there's a slew of fighters who are trying move up the proverbial ladder and make their names as well, and after they've beaten their fair share of former contenders then Spence can start facing the likes of Sammy Vasquez Jr, Egidijus Kavaliauskas, Dmitry Mikhaylenko, Jessie Vargas, Jeff Horn, Taras Shelestyuk, Felix Diaz or Konstantin Ponomarev to solidify who really is the best young gun. Then and only then after he's faced the crème de la crème of contenders and partially proven prospects does he move on to the guys like Bradley, Brook, Thurman, Porter, Garcia and maybe eventually a Lara or Canelo. Sure it may take some time, a few years to be exact, but he's 26, what's the rush? Can you imagine the kind of resume he'd boast if he fought some of those fighters, it would be quite impressive indeed, he'd be building a legacy, not looking for big money fights as quickly as possible and potentially going bust and having to go back to the beginning of the line. Now onto Oleksandr Usyk, slow down, no need to rush him either, he's had 9 fights and already he's being pushed to the front of the line in the hunt for a title, for what? It's way too soon for something like that, when and if he becomes Cruiserweight Champion by beating Glowacki, then people will want him to drop that belt and move up to Heavyweight, its almost a no win situation. Why is it so important for him to make a quantum leap from fighting opponents like Johnny Muller and Pedro Rodriguez right into a match with the champion who is coming off of wins against Marco Friggin Huck and Steve Cunningham. What's wrong with him facing the likes of Ovil McKenzie, Firat Arslan, Youri Kayembre Kalenga, Victor Emilio Ramirez, Tony Bellew, Beibut Shumenov, Enzo Maccarinelli, Rakhim Chakhkiev, Cunningham, Wlodarczyk to perfect his craft, not a bum in that bunch, all are tough as nails and will give him a ****load of experience. Then move him along to fellow contenders like Murat Gassiev, Micki Nielsen, Kudryashov, Briedis, Makabu, Mchunu and eventually the elites of the division, like Huck, Glowacki, Lebedev and Drozd. If Usyk could take out many of these fighters over the next couple of years, he would have one hell of a resume, approaching Cruiserweight legend status. But no everyone wants him to face Glowacki, become Champ move up to HW and probably lose to a guy whose 7 feet tall and his legacy will be ruined before he can even get it started. I'm already getting nauseous from the drumbeat of fans who want to see Oleksandr Gvozdyk and Artur Beterbiev face Sergey Kovalev, and what good will that do for their legacy or Kovalev's? Kovalev needs great fighters with great resumes to build his legacy, he already has two in BHop and Pascal, maybe he'll get another in future HOFer Ward. But wouldn't it be great if and when he eventually faces Oleksandr and Artur if they had badass resumes as well and a big win over either of them would actually mean something? Wow.... Gvozdyk just KTFO of Nadjib Mohammedi way better than Kovalev did, that was awesome, and guess what now everybody wants to see Kovalev-Gvozdyk, and if Gvozdyk loses...then what? Kovalev will have a win over a guy who KO'd one of his leftovers, or as many would probably call him on here an unproven hypejob or bum, even though they couldn't be more wrong in their assessment. How about this, let Gvozdyk and Beterbiev take on as many of the contenders in this scary ass division as they can, make mincemeat out of them, get more experience and build themselves into forces to be reckoned with, and then they can face Kovalev and it would actually mean something, their name would look damn good on Kovalev's resume or vice versa. Think about it, imagine how good a win over Gvozdyk and Beterbiev would look if they had wins over the likes of Shabranskyy, Barrera, Braehmer, Fonfara, Skoglund, Monaghan, Rodriguez, Alvarez, Chilemba, Mekhontsev, Browne, Kaladjic, Willaims Jr, Gonzalez or even Pascal. Then we could have a Ali, Foreman, Frazier like troika fighting it out with one another, jockeying for position a top the Light Heavyweight division, they could have trilogies with one another it would be glorious. But no everyone wants it all and now, and it will ultimately mean nothing if it plays out that way. And that brings me to little Naoya Inoue The Monster, put him in with Chocolatito, put him in with Chocolatito, my God the kid is 23 years old, don't you think its a little too soon for him to get in the ring with a living legend and an All Time Great Flyweight Icon in Roman Gonzalez? Can he beat him, I personally think Inoue can do it, right now, he's a beast, but when and if he does, then what? He'll have absolutely nothing left to prove whatsoever. He'll have beaten one of the greatest fighters of this generation, he actually cannot go up from there, its virtually impossible. How about this instead bring on Ioka, Cuadras, Viloria, Kono Estrada, Sor Rungvisai, Ruenroeng, Arroyo, Tete, Concepcion, Ishida, Butler, Yafai, Marquez, Segura, Villanueva, Shiming what a resume he'd have then, but if he takes out Chocolatito first, then all of these guys would seem like a step down, and the immature fans would lose interest, because by beating Gonzalez the bar will be set impossibly high, when you reach the top, there nowhere to go but down, he doesn't need to peak this early, cool it. As much as it might suck, as annoying as it may be, we need to chill the **** out a little, and think about the legacies these fighters can build instead of wanting it all and right now, our need for instant gratification is virtually ensuring the Boxers of today in their quest to please the fans, that they will never have a legacy like Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Leonard, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Ali, Foreman and so on an so forth. So what's the rush? These guys are young, and hopefully will be around for quite awhile, take it slow and steady, after all Mayweather and Pacquiao didn't become legends overnight, it took them damn near 20 years. Becoming a Legend takes time, let them achieve it at their own pace, not rush in like a fool just to please you. We need to be a little more patient. Then maybe you can tell your grandkids about how you witnessed the rise of the legends of our time, its a distinct possibility if only they were allowed the opportunity to accomplish it. Remember Rome wasn't built it a day, good things come to those who wait.
This. He also holds three world titles and claims to be the best, so he can't hide behind his lack of experience. He needs to prove that he's the best.
I don't think modern fans expect too much. I think it's often more of a problem with TV and promoters putting too much emphasis on a 0 and bulking out and selling records to be what they are not. I know the sport has changed, but looking back to previous generations, the best would fight the best far more easily and at less risky/lucrative career stages. A difficult comparison as sport has evolved, but it very often fans are left underwhelmed and fights fail to be made, or are made way past their logical prime date.
We live in an era of instant gratification and sport like anything else needs to meet the demands of it's audience, you can't apply old world criteria to the new world that's how sports will die. It isn't the 1970's or even the 1990's we live in an age where content is streamed when people have video on demand, can binge watch content at their leisure at a time of their choosing, where almost the entire accumulation of human knowledge is but a moment away via the internet and boxing needs to move with the times or casual sports fans attention will turn elsewhere for their entertainment. So yes in this era modern fans are too demanding but that's how it is now that's what people expect from the world they live in.
Nope loma is setting the bar if his strategy was adapted more often boxing might have kept fans and fighters crossing over to mma
The fans never asked for Joshua to rush up the rankings as quickly as he has, the division is weak and Joshua is good it will of been a concious decision by Hearn and Joshuas camp to go at the pace they have. Now the fans have jumped on for the ride they couldnt just slam the brakes on. Asa Joshua fan id of happily watched him take a much slower aproach to his career but the money and glory is at the top and they have raced for it.
