Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by kevin-novice, Mar 24, 2021.
And how the **** did Chisora become "pay per view" main event material ?
Eddie Hearn has given us, as pay-per-view non-world-title main events at heavyweight in recent years :
Haye v Bellew
Haye v Bellew 2
Whyte v Parker
Whyte v Chisora 2
Whyte v Rivas
Whyte v Povetkin
Usyk v Chisora
Whyte v Povetkin 2
Not bad fights but those types of fights were happening anyway, without PPV.
I think Haye and Bellew have to each take credit for selling the **** out of what most os us thought was a busted flush to begin with. Between the pair of them they managed to turn a second rate fight into a circus, so I don't begrudge them the PPV loot. Would they have done it otherwise? Maybe not, they both had money in the bank, though Haye had a divorce to fund apparently.
Some of the others are questionable, but I do think Whyte had got himself to the position with the wbc where he should've had a title shot, he was there on merit.
Come off it man, no one is letting him fight 40 bums to build him up. Everyone had wilder as a laughing stock at that point. How can that be building him up. Its had the opposite effect. Think of it like your wilders promoter or investor....your not making much fighting these bums. So you,ll fight 40 of them. Yeah we,re building him up....it took wilder years to face someone with a name. These investors/promoters aren,t that dumb. No one wants to wait 10 years for a good return on your investment.
Especially in the heavyweight division when out of these 40 bums might well just knock you out with a lucky punch. A few of them nearly did. There not building him up at all...they just cant get the investment to get the guy fighting good level guys.
You mentioned jennings....look at what he did....20 fights then fought klitchko. You mentioned mike perez and spilka. Prospects. How does that prepare him for klitchko. Dont you see their missing out the next level...the exact thing i m talking about. Klitchko,s the money man. Surely jennings needed to face top level contenders first. Why didnt he?
You also mention ortiz....ortiz was a 40 year old man by the time he got the big break. What a waste of that mans career. 40 years old and he,d only fought jennings. The only real name on his record. He wins it against jennings as well....then probably asks who,s next. Go see who he fights next. He actually goes backwards in his opponents. How does that happen.
Parker beats ruiz...good win again asks who,s next....his opposition goes backwards massively till eddie phones him for a ppv fight. Wheres all these other promoters putting on guys in the top ten.
Their getting to 35 years old with one or two average names on their record. Thats a broken sport. Thats why your new generation lost interest...its not because eddie hearn came along.
Look through them all...their careers are all the same.
Then you mention dillian whyte. And moan about how many ppv fights he,s had. You mention 5 top 10 fights. You say eddies breaking the sport and yet his fighters fought more top ten fighters in a 2 or 3 year period than about 5 top ten fighters put together in a ten year period.
Their all pretty much the stuff everyone complains about as well.
Do people seriously want to wait 5 years to see some of these guys fight good names. Or fight a good guy then go back for four fights fighting low level guys again.
Its that that killed the sport. Theres no real money to take the risk. Thats not eddies fault.
Your arguments would stack up if other promoters we,re putting them on regularly. Their not...i know that because all the posts on here say that.
Hopefully i m not falling out with anyone on here...because its a great group with a great group of guys.
Just my opinion of it.
I am done with Whyte, the quicker he gets KTFO the better.
That's all I have to say about that
Wilder was being protected and built up.
It got him a #1 ranking, then the WBC title. And, no, none of them knocked him out with a lucky punch, so the minimal risk approach did work.
Your alternative would be to match him against the best after 20 fights, and he would've lost.
Wilder was #1 mandatory WBC challenger after 5 years and 4 months as a professional, and picked up the WBC title 6 years and 2 months after turning professional.
That's normal progress.
The point is, Jennings was prepared to take on Ortiz in his next fight after Klitschko.
Whether he was prepared or deserved the Klitschko shot is another matter, the fact is going 12 rounds with Klitschko boosted his value, his reputation, but that didn't stop him fighting the dangerous Ortiz in his next fight.
So what ?
Dillian Whyte went 'backwards' after beating Parker, he goes and fights Chisora.
Loads of contenders have fought Chisora, on non-PPV.
But Hearn sells Whyte-Chisora as a PPV and tells you Whyte's taking on the best in the world.
Parker became the WBO champion when he beat Ruiz.
He then was lined up to face Hughie Fury, who was the WBO's mandatory challenger.
Hughie pulled out so Parker fought Cojanu, a late replacement, a nobody.
Then Parker faced Hughie in Machester. So you really don't have a point here at all.
You're greatly mistaken in thinking Dillian Whyte's been facing a far better level of opponent.
Parker was genuine top 10 (but Whyte possibly wasn't ! despite already being #1 with WBC).
Rivas, borderline top 10. Hovering on the edge of a top 10.
Povetkin, top 10 but on his way down, coming off a fiercely disputed draw with Hunter.
This isn't a great deal better than the others.
I agree, it's not because Hearn came along. But the expansion of the PPV model makes it worse. They aren't matching great fighters together, they are just hyping routine matches and average contenders into something they are not.
You're generalizing too much about all the non-Matchroom, non-PPV heavyweights.
They are a mixed bunch. They aren't all heading to 35 years old with one or two average names on their record. Parker's resume was relatively respectable fighting out their in New Zealand before he came to Matchroom.
Like I said before, Dillian Whyte got lucky by getting a PPV in his 17th fight for a British title fight. He wasn't even expected to do as well as he did. And since the AJ phenomenon (a crossover star) continued to take off, Whyte was in the right place at the right time, as Hearn's #2 heavyweight.
I do know that western fans usually prefer to score fights for western fighters.
I had scored this as Povetkin win on points. Not even a draw.
Of course Pov as there had been posted by multiple posters, already was over the hill before this fight.
Pov just remains highly ranked but he is old. Ofc he is very good fighter but even 37 y.o Pov wasn't even close to 36 y.o Pov not alone younger versions and 40+ there .
Hrgovic v Hunter going to purse bids! No chance this fight will happen unless its PPV!
There is not a SINGLE sport ON EARTH that prides itself on an undefeated record, yet Chisora has TEN LOSSES yet PPV worthy.
Absolute shambles. Chisora is a journeyman, not even a gatekeeper.
Constantly trying to make every single pre fight build up "controversial", he'll always do something to make it seem like there's a bust up. I would have loved it if, when he went running around like an idiot in Bulgaria, someone lamped him and put him on his backside.
I actually meant to put that, but I'm on my phone. ;-)
Exactly. Being undefeated is everything, apparently. But we have to PAY to see a journeyman with 10 losses. It's absurd.
Wilder was #1 WBC contender waiting for his shot at Stiverne.
It was a tick over fight.
It was an undercard appearance, so can't really complain. From hardcore fan's perspective it is a pointless mismatch. But for Wilder's camp, it's a tick over, and for the promoters Wilder's a good name on an undercard.
You're going on about Wilder but everyone knows Wilder is probably the most extreme case of current heavyweights.
His management have protected him because they can get away with it, even after winning the WBC title.
He can't box well. They hoped he would learn. They openly admitted he wasn't ready for Klitschko even AFTER he won the title.
Meantime they knew he was good at KOing second-rate opposition, and a 30 KO wins out of 30 fights grabs people's attention.
Everyone knows they have struggled to market Wilder well, despite all this.
People who know boxing don't actually give a flying **** how many fights or KOs against bums he had. It's a sham. But so is building up every "top ten versus top ten" fight into some remarkable event.
Stiverne is fine after 33 fights. 33 fights in 6 years is fine.
Doesn't really matter if his management wanted him facing 30+ bums on his way to a shot at a paper WBC belt. If they wanted to bring him along slow and keep him in the lower leagues, fine.
It's the fact that Wilder somehow continued to face sub-par challengers AFTER he won the belt that pissed people off.
Malik Scott is NOT "a proper handful".
But a 30-0 (30 KOs) Wilder with a 36-1-1 (one controversial loss to Chisora) Scott and as a WBC mandatory eliminator it's really not far off what Eddie Hearn would try to sell you as pay per view main event.
Whyte-Chisora 2, Whyte-Rivas, Whyte-Povetkin 2 really are only marginally better.
That's the point.
That's the whole point of this thread, in a nutshell.
These are routine semi-decent contender fights being hyped as something special and sold for £20 a pop.