Do people here honestly think that defense wins you points in boxing?

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  1. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    The racists don't even like you so don't try to appease them lmao
     
  2. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    People are losing their minds over Golovkin beating Canelo, LMAO, what losers.
     
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  3. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yeah, all you have to do is watch the fight. G knew the only success he had was to continually throw punches to look busy to sway judges. He also had to compromise his power to do so since he couldn't fully sit on a punch to land a true power shot. Canelo was too elusive and his counter shots weren't making it any easier. Golovkin didn't even fight in a traditional "Mexican" warrior style. He didn't sell himself even when Canelo was on the ropes. Nobody here can even explain what was eye catching or atleast aesthetically pleasing to watch about G's performance that fight. He was limited and tentative against a smaller fighter he was supposed to KO.
     
  4. BCS8

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    Golovkin outlanded him in every round save 2. Canelo fought a great fight but he lost. Those are the facts.
     
  5. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis thought Golovkin won, Lennox Lewis KSAB. ESB keyboard warriors are no match for his opinion.
     
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  6. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I can accept that. Very reasonable but I disagree. Canelo's fatigue doesnt count towards G's ineffective aggression. If G actually landed clean punches, I would gladly agree but I even proved they were padding G's punchstats in my other thread. Being a pressure fighter with a pitty-pat jab isn't pressure fighting at all.

    Being timid even when you have a guy in a ropes and you're marginally landing doesn't do it either. Canelo showed he has superior ring IQ and versatility.

    Even the people who gave G the win have admitted as much.
     
  7. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Once again, you threw a tantrum and said you were going to quit watching the sport. You think Usyk would box circles against Holyfield and Lennox. You DKSAB period.
     
  8. mirkofilipovic

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    Haha, my fan girl is getting triggered. Good. Lennox Lewis KSAB, his opinion supercedes yours or the other mouth breathing rejects on here.
     
  9. BCS8

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    Look, Canelo had a great defence and that played a role in GGG's accuracy being off compared to his usual stats. But Golovkin landed clean punches together with the stuff that bounced off Canelo's gloves or missed him. There's no way to say that GGG's aggression is 'ineffective' if he is, in fact, landing the punches.

    I actually watched the fight in slomo up to the 10th and scored it myself and then compared it to compubox. My tallies were off, but what's interesting is that they were off in proportion. If Compubox had a round (for instance) GGG 16 and Canelo 12, I would have it something like GGG 19 and Canelo 14 or something similar. The punchstats are not padded for either guy. They could be wrong in an absolute sense, but they are roughly correct when reflecting the gist of the fight.

    Canelo's a lot better than I thought he'd be and I give him full credit for that. It may even be that if he can but get his stamina to last the full 12 rounds, he can beat Golovkin. However, GGG outfought him, even though Canelo looked better in his bursts of action.
     
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  10. bandeedo

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    those are my 2 posts regarding dictating the action, now point to where i mentioned scoring for dictating the action so we can get rid of this latest strawman. having to keep telling you to stop talking out your ass is getting boring.
     
  11. divac

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    Golovkin outlanded him because HBO said he did? LOL!

    It got news for you that most boxing fans know about. HBO punchstats are rigged in favor of they would like to see win. Most of the GGG fans that quote it now know it but all of a sudden are selective about it to suit their agenda.
     
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  12. BCS8

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    As I already said:

    "I actually watched the fight in slomo up to the 10th and scored it myself and then compared it to compubox. My tallies were off, but what's interesting is that they were off in proportion. If Compubox had a round (for instance) GGG 16 and Canelo 12, I would have it something like GGG 19 and Canelo 14 or something similar. The punchstats are not padded for either guy. They could be wrong in an absolute sense, but they are roughly correct when reflecting the gist of the fight."
     
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  13. divac

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    Exellent post! I don't mind it one bit if you preffered quantity over quality.
    For me, the difference between the quanitity landed wasn't as wide a gap to over-ride the quality put forth by Canelo.

    Its been said before in this thread, you cant rack up points for GGG because Canelo has his hands dropped and looks tired. Guess what? He fought threw it and despite it was landing his. Reminds me a lot of Sergio Martinez' first fight with Paul Williams. For over half of the fight, Martinez' body language painted a picture that he was about to gas out and drop from exhaustion. But guess what? Yeah, that right. Martinez fought through it and throughout was landing his. A judge cant take it upon himself and reason to give a round based on the fact that Martinez looked like the more exhausted fighter.
    Whether he looks exhausted or not, you still have to score the action happening in the ring.
    For as exhausted as Canelo looked, like Martinez against Williams, he was still keeping Golovkin at bay with the shots he was popping him with.
     
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  14. LANCE99

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    You're the racist ***** here, you've made that clear douche. Think I would try to appease some racist losers? nice logic simpleton...
     
  15. OvidsExile

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    No. In both cases fighter B landed more punches and wins, unless all of those punches were in one round. Percentages don't matter. The effect is what's important. Sloppy but effective is still effective. I don't care if the mother****er comes out windmilling and stumbling like a ****** and the other guy has the grace of a ballerina and the poise of a cat, what matters is damage, not the manner it's dished out. Good form is valued because it leads to effective damage. It's not valued for it's own sake.
     
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