Do people in classic understand....

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  1. Johnstown

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    what you guys are all calling a "right hook" is usually actually called a cross.
     
  2. McGrain

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    A cross is a straight punch. A hook is not.

    That is all.
     
  3. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    It's true there is no strict right hand equivalent of the left-hook in terms of body mechanics for an orthodox fighter.if you tried to execute a proper hook with your trailing hand and in an orthodox non-squared up stance you would fall over or turn the punch over completely sideways on, leaving you wide open.

    Call variously angled curving, looping right hand punches what you want imo.Who gives a ****.Moon didn't.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Yeah, i'd tend to label them haymakers. They usually are.
     
  5. lora

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    Yup.

    Clubbing bombs is another favourite of mine.Just march straight in, it's what Williams would do.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    No, a hook is thrown (and lands) with the arm bent like an "L", it's a hook.

    A cross is thrown with an arm that extends during its flight towards its target. A cross isn't necessarily straight but it's certainly not a hook from the other side.
     
  7. McGrain

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    :lol:
     
  8. TheUnstoppable

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    No, not at all. They're different movements and different punches.
     
  9. natonic

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    Coincidentally, Dan Rafael commented on this topic in his notes on Martinez - Williams:

    "Well, we didn't get the fight of the year, but we got the knockout of the year as Martinez landed the massive overhand left heard 'round the world. (And it was not a left hook as so many have incorrectly reported. Martinez is a southpaw and does not throw a left hook. He throws a left cross. Besides, it was an overhand left, but we digress.)"

    I agree that what Martinez threw WAS NOT a hook, but I disagree with the premise that you can't throw a hook with your trailing hand. I think Mickey Ward did this, and possibly Hagler (a natural righthander). I think it is much more effective on the inside. It would be more easily executed from a squared stance (not that that is the greatest technique). All semantics IMO, and certainly nothing Rafael should get on his high horse about.
     
  10. natonic

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    p.s. Chavez could hook with his righthand on this inside with devastating cumulative effect.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg3t5Dw4HjE[/ame]


    I haven't watched all this, so I dont necessarily advocate everything this guy is saying, but he IS throwing a right hook from an orthodox stance.
     
  12. lora

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    I find the simultaneous double hook or uppercut to be a vastly superior weapon.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Impossible to do a double uppercut without saying "pow!" at the apex of the punch.
     
  14. Boxed Ears

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    :lol: I had to come back, curious why it went three pages. I see now.
     
  15. Johnstown

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    Hey cool.....well i dont agree with everything dan says..im not freak..but thats clearly right.