do people realise maidana was outboxed by kotelnik?

Gee...I wonder what his first was? :huh

 

It's pretty damn clear that Maidana won a close but hard fought victory here and the fact that Maidana was not the local European favorite ****ed him over in the end of a sketchy decision.

The point of the matter is that Kotelnik's ability to absorb a punch is what allowed him to win the fight...NOT his boxing ability.

So as far as Maidana being outboxed is concerned...it hasn't been done.


Ortiz tried and got ****ed up (and he's far less chinnier than Khan), Cayo tried dancing and just simply got beat the **** up...I just don't see Khan doing any better than Ortiz...

I personally think Khan's next step SHOULD BE Ortiz. This would dispell both fighter's question mark weaknesses. We'll find out if Ortiz has REAL heart and you'll see if Khan's chin can hold up to a good power puncher.

 

His first was clearly Argentina where he was born, Germany was where he based himself a a few years for career purposes. Which is exactly what I said. And exactly whay Maidana says. Is there some reason why you're disagreeing with what the guy himself says?

If he had been born in Germany and lived there his entire life then I would have said he was 'German' rather than 'based in Germany'.

 

Why do I get the impression that some have not seen Kotelnik-Maidana?...

That fight was no way a blow-out or schooling for andry....It was a close fight, and some observers had it for marcos....

 

Point taken and completely irrelevant to what's being discussed here.

 

Blah blah blah, stop being a typical ESB ass. I'm a BIG Marcos Maidana fan, one of the 3 guys picking him over Ortiz with an explanation and I don't give a damn about boring Kotelnik (even if I did, I could still score objectively), and still had Kotelnik winning just like most of the press and fans who sat ringside or watched a quality copy where you see whether a punch landed, was partially blocked or didn't land. Kotelnik was way ahead in clean effective punching and other than 3 good rounds of Maidana (once buzzing Kotelnik hard), he applied mostly ineffective aggression. Was it close and can I accept a Maidana card? Sure, I don't reward ineffective aggression, but I can see how some scored based on that. But to come up with the typical Germany - ROBBERY!!! **** is laughable. Not to mention that Maidana was the more marketable guy, and Universum protected the Ukranian so good that they sold him out to Warren a few weeks later.

 

I don't think Kotelnik's clean punches were very effective at all. Maidana's may not have landed as many eye catching head shots in the earlier rounds of the fight, but his punches were definitely having an effect, and the state of Kotelnik's face in rounds five and six is a testament to that. Maidana also invested a lot into body work, which seemingly went unnoticed.

Either way, I agree that it was a close fight and I won't argue with a draw or close Kotelnik win. But to suggest Kotelnik "outboxed" Maidana like the thread starter is doing is inaccurate. I'm curious to know if he actually watched the fight or did come to this conclusion based on comments by Max Kellerman last Saturday evening. :think

 

Well, the majority who watched a quality copy had Kotelnik winning, and Kotelnik is a boxer who used his superior skills (jab, counters, defense) to deal with Maidana, so how exactly would you describe his peformance? He certainly didn't outslug or outpunch Maidana...

I can't describe the fight any better in a few words than Kotelnik outboxed a very game Maidana in a close, competitive, exciting fight.

 

Maidana is the ****.

The guy is awesome to watch and a very dangerous fighter.......ask Ortiz....Maidana put his career on hold, even though he just beat up Campbell, we still don't forget the ass whoopin Maidana gave him which made him quit.

 

Forget it, the guy is a typical ESB keyboard warrior who can't admit when he got it wrong.

I saw it the same way - a lot of loading on punches by Maidana which enabled Kotelnik to pick them up with his typical european double guard. But Maidana was a punching machine in that fight, just incredible the raw energy and strength of the punches (check Kotelnik's face, although he rarely did get hit cleanly, and the swellings are mostly from his own double guard). I thought that the guy is rough diamond and that he needs a new coach.

But that's also a thought - how many guys we are talking about fight with a double guard (and have a sturdy chin) like Kotelnik? I somehow believe that Maidana would always do better against typical us boxers than against typical european ones. I also think Maidana improved since the Kotelnik fight.

 

He has to fight the way he always did, be aggressive and hope to land something big as the fight goes. That's his only hope in this fight and to rough Khan up.

 

He definitely improved a lot, so when I say Kotelnik outboxed him, I also say it's hard to hold that loss against him since it was a valuable learning experience he used pretty well in the following fights. The 1-2 that put Ortiz down in the 1st was dead accurate, he found the corridor for the right hand late and timed both body shots perfectly vs. Gonzalez and Cayo. Chino definitely improved and is more awkward than simply raw, so even if I had Kotelnik winning, I would probably pick Maidana in a rematch and with Khan's chin, it's really a 50-50 fight even tough Khan is superior in almost all areas.

 

I think most people expect Khan to outbox him too, the question is can Maidana keep the pressure on Khan and get inside his jab.

 

Excellent point. While I am not sure whether that Kotelnik has the sturdiest beard at 140 or not, he certainly demonstrated in that fight the capacity to handle some big shots square on the chops.

Could Khan have eaten the same shots? I doubt it.

 

If he starts fast, bum rushes Khan from the get go. Could be an early night.