Do people realize Deontay Wilder has won one fight in 4 years?

You seem to think Wilder is awful and that AJ is something special and I can`t understand why, nationalism?

 

That’s from oddschecker, compiles all odds of every bookmaker in the UK, but yeah Wilder is the favourite on the whole albeit by the slimmest of margins.

 

They are very close odds.

5/6 is equivalent of a 54% chance of happening.

11/8 is 42%.

That’s a pickem fight unless you are expecting exact equal odds. I dunno maybe you were but that doesn’t happen.

Wilder is odds on by the slightest of margins and Joshua is odds against by the slightest of margins. You will never get two fighters that both come in at evens, lol.

 

It is unusual also for relatively close odds being offered that in all cases favour the same fighter. All the agencies seem to be in agreement on who will win.

 

Well there are only 3 bookmakers offering odds on the fight at the minute. So not that unusual.

One of them has it 5/6 Wilder and Joshua at evens.

Another 4/5 Wilder and Joshua at evens again.

And the third 8/13 Wilder and Joshua 11/8.

Although Wilder is the favourite it’s by the slimmest of slim margins. It’s almost like picking a coin toss according to two of them.

 

I don't think Wilder is awful or Joshua is something special. Wilder proved his chops in the Fury fights and Joshua found his level in the Usyk fights. A fight between the two right now is very competitive and could go either way. Right now however everyone is on Wilder nuts and downplaying Joshua's chances, while brining up Joshua's phantom "quitjob" at every opportunity. I'm evening the balance.

 

Lots of people dislike Joshua and had a great opportunity to paint him in the worst possible light that night. Fact is though he never indicated to the ref he wanted to quit either verbally or nonverbally (walking off, waving his hands, staying on one knee etc), and none of his team indicated they wanted the fight stopped. It was all on the ref to wave him off. That's not a quit job in any sense of the word. It's a regular TKO.

I've heard people bring up how he spat the mouthpiece out shortly beforehand. That's a veteran's trick to buy more time. If anything it indicates you're trying your hardest to stay in the fight. Look at Castillo Corrales for example. Joshua was getting up after every knockdown to the point where you could see his body couldn't take it anymore. Same as Wlad vs Sanders.

Finally, like I said, fighters who quit against someone don't then immediately demand a rematch with them which they then thoroughly dominate. If your mindset is such that you need to quit against someone, that's someone you probably don't ever want to be in the ring with again.

If people still want to think Joshua quit despite the above that's on them. But I don't like hearing it being parroted around as fact.

 

Referees are looking for positive indications from a fighter that they wish to continue. The conviction that they are good to go and Joshua failed to provide that. His body language and the fact he lent on the ropes, was the behavior of a beaten man and that's why referee Mark Griffin stopped it.

There were mixed feelings among the experts about the stoppage but many, including Malignaggi, Haye and Froch, thought Joshua quit.

Making up a lie that Wilder quit against Fury won't make the Joshua ending against Ruiz go away. No matter how many times you say it, it is still a lie. Wilder did not quit against Fury. His cornerman, Mark Breland, against his wishes, threw the towel in.

 

Third round after Joshua was knocked down for the second time he refused to walk forward as instructed by the ref as his legs were gone but did lift his hands up when instructed. In the seventh round when Joshua was knocked down for the second time 1 he spit his gum shield out 2 he walked away into the corner ignoring the ref telling him to turn round and stands in the corner with both hands holding onto the ropes and lays against the corner post 3 ref again tells him to turn round,this time he does,ref says come on let’s go,let’s work but Joshua stands there still holding into the ropes with both hands,ref again says do you want to box and Joshua nods his head but still stands holding onto the ropes refusing to move,the ref has no option but to stop the fight . Joshua did quit !

 

Joshua was still with it enough to spit his guard out but chose not to demonstrate to the referee he was fit to continue.

 

I agree. Fury resume is shocking for a man some consider the " goat"

 

This. And even though he is the most delusional boxer I've ever seen, Wilder at least is not claiming that he is the greatest fighter to have ever lived, nor do his fans.

Imagine the Fury fans when they actually believe Fury is not only the greatest HW of this era but the greatest fighter ever with only six title fights, two title defences, and only one top guy defeated in the last 8 years - make it two and you are very, VERY generous to call a twice badly KOd, 34-year-old Whyte who most probably suffered permanent neurological damage by that brutal Povetkin KO a top guy.

 

Wilder has been a coddled Glass Jawed fighter from day one. AJ is also Glass Jawed and mentally weak but his level of competition has been far superior to Wilder. Say what you will about AJ but he’s not scared to fight tough fights. Wilder would likely have several losses against AJ’s resume. Wilder’s lone exception is Fury who was robbed in first fight and then proceeded to dismantle Wilder in the next two fights. Out of all the rounds Wilder and Fury fought Wilder only won a handful. He wasn’t competitive at all.

 

Who are the several losses that Wilder would have to fighters on Joshua’s resume ?