Do people REALLY believe...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IceJohnScully, Oct 10, 2007.


  1. IceJohnScully

    IceJohnScully Active Member Full Member

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    Do people REALLY believe...that 5 foot 10 and 185 pound Rocky Marciano would knock out guys like Lennox and Foreman??? And... would the Rock knock out the likes of Holyfield if he was a cruiserweight? AND... Wouldn't James Toney and the Rock at 185 pounds be fun to watch?? I do think the Rock was underrated somewhat as a fighter. His will to win was above average as well as his work ethic and dedication were on par with almost anybody in history. He was a true "never say die" boxer but if he was matched up with the bigger, stronger heavyweights or with guys his size like a James Toney that had great defensive and counter punching skills, I think he would ultimately be outclassed or overpowered.
     
  2. El Bombasto

    El Bombasto Ask yo momma Full Member

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    Nope, but I still think he was a greater boxer than both. And, I would take him over Toney at 185
     
  3. BoxingGuru

    BoxingGuru Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No. Walcott was beating Rocky. NO WAY he gets out of a fight with a superheavyweight alive. Wlad, Vitali, and Lennox would all destroy him.
     
  4. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Marciano was a real champ and a reminder of when the average man knew who the heavywieght champ was, as far as Wlad is concerned thats tough choice, but if Marciano would get in on Wlad and tap that weak chin of his it would be all over. Alot of people think bigger is better and thats not true, give me a guy like Marciano who had power and heart over someone like Wlad who has questionable heart and Power,Size Ill take Marciano anyday.
     
  5. raiderjay

    raiderjay Active Member Full Member

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    No, he would probably get destroyed against the super heavyweights of later generations, but to make everything even, if he were fighting today he would either be cutting weight and making lightheavy at 175 and be considered the greatest lightheavy of all time. Or he would be using supplements and bulk up to around 210-220 lbs and be at the very least competitive in the same way David Tua was.
     
  6. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought the same thing about the classic forum. It'd be really interesting to see what comes out of a thread over there. Obviously you have the fans with a huge knowledge who think it is possible and then an ex-pro and now a trainer, saying it isn't.

    It'd be great stuff.
     
  7. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    There is another factor that could hurt the Rock if he were fighting in later eras - his tendency to cut. Officials today are far more likely to stop fights when fighters are bleeding than they were in the Rock's day. I think it is highly unlikely Marciano would be undefeated even if he fought in the 70s, let alone today.
     
  8. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Johnson, Dempsey, Louis and Marciano would all struggle against the top-tier 16-17 stone and over guys of the last ten years or so. That doesn't denigrate their achievements but you've got to be realistic.

    To me Liston and Ali are the earliest HW champs who would stand a chance.
     
  9. SteveO

    SteveO MSW Full Member

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    The Rock would get stopped on cuts a lot. Maybe MAYBE be a fringe HW.

    Be a good Cruiser, though.
     
  10. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    that 0 on Marciano's record is blindly fooling those who do.
     
  11. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Him, Dempsey and Johnson. All great fighters and great Cruisers today:good
     
  12. SteveO

    SteveO MSW Full Member

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    Jack Johnson...good one!

    In this day and age, his defensive skills would be appreciated and not be passed off as a racial shortcoming.

    Johnson v. Marciano...hmmm.
     
  13. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    ThankGod. Its so nice to meet someone else who isn't overwhelmed with these nostalgic/romanticised views of older fighters. Rocky sure was great for his TIME, but in reality, guys with more skill, and still with great conditioning and work rates were always going to beat him up, especially massive guys like Wlad or Lennox, who would quite simply blast him out of the ring.
     
  14. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    His will to win was only "above average"? You underrate him, undoubtedly.
     
  15. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    The youngest heavyweight champion ever came in the 1980s when the big men were around, and he was only 5'10.

    If Mike Tyson could clean these guys out by getting inside and landing combinations, I don't see why Rocky Marciano couldn't.

    I'd pick Rocky to beat many of them because the big heavyweights today are simply awful. They have limited outside game and ZERO inside game. We aren't talking about heavyweights with the spirit to throw uppercuts and hooks inside. Not even body punches. It's been a long time since we've seen a Riddick Bowe, much less a young George Foreman (who I think may have been the one to KO Marciano).

    I think you may be surprised should Povetkin at this stage of his career secure an IBF title shot. I'd pick a versatile small heavyweight over a limited big heavyweight anyday.