Do people really pay to see Floyd lose?

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  1. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There has been this misconception for a numbers of years that the reason why Floyd Mayweather is the biggest ppv attraction in the sport of boxing today is because people pay to see him lose.

    If we look at this closely how true is this? How does a defensive minded fighter become the biggest star and attraction in the sport? It's been said that boxing fans hate his defensive style and that his fights are boring, yet floyd mayweather is still the biggest draw.

    I suggest that it is a myth that people pay to see floyd lose, in fact I would go as far as to say people pay to watch him put on a masterclass in that squared circle. They appreciate the art of his boxing more than ever.

    Think about it logically for a moment. Floyd Mayweather has constantly been criticised for cherry picking fighters that he can beat. How then does fans pay to see him lose, when he has picked fighters he knows and we know have no chance of winning?

    You see here lies the problem with this myth. Fans can't say he cherry picks then say people pay to see him lose. That makes no sense.

    What are your thoughts on this subject?
     
  2. El-blanco

    El-blanco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know tons of people who order or go out to watch Floyd potentially lose. They don't care who he's fighting they think potentially this is the time he's gonna get cracked. I personally always watch because I think he's brilliant in the ring, but majority of people don't care for his style. I think only true fans of boxing technique enjoy his fights. If I'm in a room with 20 people, over half have tuned out of the fight after a few rounds when they realize he's going to win. People love UFC and explosive violence. His fights are marketed as huge events, so casual people will tune in, but just like the Super Bowl, they're barely paying attention to what's happening on the screen.
     
  3. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    People buy PPVs to see their fighter win. Having the other fighter lose is just part of the deal.

    Mexicans flock to buy Mayweather/Alvarez because they want to support their guy and see him win. Does that mean they want to see Mayweather loss? Yes, but you can't have it any other way...you can't have 2 winners.
     
  4. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You make too much sense bro. You're right.
     
  5. robert80

    robert80 Boxing Addict banned

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    Floyd, laughs at the fools who come to see him loose!!
     
  6. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    They pay to be entertained. It's all about how good they advertise the fight and how entertaining the All Access episodes are.
     
  7. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    exactly, he doesn't give a **** about haters, he's laughing that he takes their money doing what he does best in the ring
     
  8. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't say his big numbers are because people want to see him lose, but I know from personal experience (not me by the way...) that people do buy his fight to potentially see him lose.

    There are a few things wrong with the "if he cherry picks, how come the pay to see him lose?" logic. First, the term cherry pick does not come from the casual fans before a fight, they usually don't know who the opponent is. Secondly, because most people don't know who the opponent is, they rely on the marketing and propaganda created for Floyd's fights in regards to his opponents. Ater buying into the hype, the buy the fight.

    I was personally asked a lot about Canelo's chances when facing Floyd. Mexicans already knew Canelo, so they were hoping I would say yes so they could be certain that this was the fight they would see Floyd go down. I told them the truth, and said I believed Canelo had a good shot. That's actually been the only time my friends from work make an event to see a boxing fight :yep
     
  9. Sweet Jones

    Sweet Jones Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IMO, this a big reason why this myth persists. Because IMO, 1) Boxing has NEVER sold on 'style' alone and 2)Mayweather does, in fact, have his own fans

    If you go back at the last 50 years of boxing, you could state the biggest names, the ones who transcended the sport and became part of the American conscience are: Ali, Leonard, Tyson, De La Hoya, and Mayweather. (Note: there is 2nd tier right under those that would include Hagler, Holyfield, RJJ, and Pac). Their fights were always 'events' and drew the interests of hardcore fans and casuals alike.

    Other than Tyson, none of those fighters have the sort of blood-and-guts style that many claim is needed to attract casuals. While all of them showed tremendous fighting spirit, their attraction was not rooted in it.

    Ali was an off-the-back foot fighter who by today's in ring standards would be considered a 'runner'. Ray Leonard's popularity was just as driven off his Olympic back story and pretty boy looks than his actual 'fighting' (same with De La Hoya). Hell, most fans from that time loved Leonard for the bolo punches, Broner-level clowning, foot shuffling and flashy, shoe shine combos (a la Ali) than any of his grit-his-teeth (Hearns I/Duran I) exploits.

    There have always been tons of so-called casual fans, going back to Jack Johnson, who enjoy watching a boxing masterclass. And there has always been room at the top of the boxing food chain for that type of fighter. There are ALOT of fans who are just as likely to pay to watch a fighter get clowned as they are to watch them get knocked out.

    Don't believe me? Ask most fans what their favorite moment of Marco Antonio Barrera's HOF career is and I bet pushing Hamed's head into the belt buckle is top 2 at worst. It took James Toney years to get that highlight of him mocking RJJ then getting dropped out of peoples head as his career defining moment. Calzaghe fans are still jacking off to him humping on Hopkins.

    IMO, the problem is, when people say 'casual' fans, they are thinking of the meathead types with the 'Jersey Shore' haircuts, backwards baseball caps and the size smedium Affliction/Ed Hardy t-shirts. These are the types at fight parties and bars doing the most complaining about fights being 'boring'. You can show these ADD, short attention spanned dudes Gatti-Ward, Castillo-Corrales, and Vasquez-Maquez on a constant loop, and most would still be bitching about 'lack of action'. Those fights are special for a reason.

    People forget that 'casuals' include those women out there who have to approve of their husband/boyfriend throwing that fight party and who don't want to miss an 'event' that will be talked about at work on Monday. They forget about the old-head fans who grew up at a time when boxing was a PREMIER sport in this country and still who enjoy watching the best regardless of cost. And they forget about those reluctant former (insert name of boxer Mayweather beat) fans Mayweather has won over with in-ring brilliance and dominance.

    Mayweather's style is not, nor ever has been, a problem. Folks been bitching since the Baldomir fight, and yet he did 4 fights (De La Hoya, Mosely, Cotto, Canelo) that did over appox 1.5 mil or better ppv buys since then. What does that tell you?
     
  10. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Apparent Threat Level + Floyd Fans + Floyd Haters = PPV numbers.

    that's it.

    people pay to see him win and lose. Even the people who pay to see him win are more likely to pay when they see an opponent who seems to be a threat, because they want to see if he can overcome it.
     
  11. gdm

    gdm Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yes most people pay to see him lose
     
  12. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    People paying solely to see another fighter lose is a myth. People pay to get entertained and see their fighter win. It's as simple as that.

    You guys still don't understand it, do you? Have YOU ever paid to see a fighter lose in your entire life? Have you ever paid to see Pac lose? NO? Then stop projecting your negativity. People pay to see one fighter win and for that fighter to win, the other must lose.
     
  13. floyd has no skills. none.
     
  14. unsentdemon

    unsentdemon Active Member Full Member

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    Most of Floyd's fans are people.from the black community that are happy to see a black man achieve wealth in America. That whole "people pay to see him lose" is ridiculous. A true Floyd hater would not spend a dime on his fights, they would watch them ilegally instead and encourage many others to do so. Just like Canelo has a whole bunch of mexicans supportimg him and Cotto has a whole bunch of puertoricans like myself supporting him.
     
  15. fighter86

    fighter86 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd has more Facebook likes/fans than any other boxer on the planet ,he's doing something right.:happy