Do Some Of Yall Understand The Possible Results Of Margarito's Cheating?

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  1. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    so whats the status of the situation? i thought it confirmed it was plaster of paris or soemthing?

    do they have teh stuff in the labs now and its being tested?
     
  2. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    they took it in for evidence. i understand it could have been plaster of paris but it needs further testing. if they proved it to be plaster of paris right then and there, the athletic commision has the power to stop the fight.

    a few more days and i think we'll get a clearer picture. i do hope it comes out clean. i'm not a margo fan. i just want boxing to be less stained
     
  3. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    for margarito's sake i hope it comes out negative...

    it would be a black eye on boxing
    a black eye on margarito's career & his most emphatic win (miguel cotto)
     
  4. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    exactly. boxing needs less issues and more exciting fights. margo is one of the future faces of boxing. mosley is still good but he only has e few more fights in him. it will be up to cotto, margo, lopez and the others to make sure boxing survives. if margo is proven to be a cheater. boxing will take a big hit.

    the sad thing is that though the media did not give much attention to the fight itself, they will surely take notice of this scandal. just shows how the media is biased against boxing
     
  5. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What all of these apologists are refusing to understand is that there was something.

    There was definitely a foreign substance in his wraps. What the **** is the purpose of it? What will "testing the substance" prove or disprove? Even if it isn't some special type of plaster, it was definitely something that shouldn't have been there and had to be removed...

    Bottom line, his trainer tried to insert a foreign object into his glove, whether it was for extra protection or for the purpose of inflicting increased damage...

    And none of us are too naive to understand that it's cheating. All we need to know is the magnitude of what he was attemtping to do.
     
  6. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :goodThis is my point also. If its not plaster it doesnt matter, the fact that there was something is enough. Tape and gauze dont get hard when wet. HBO siad it was a hard shell under the wrap, so it wasnt a problem with the wrap its the fact that something was inserted into the wraps.
     
  7. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    thats waht im saiyng....

    i feel extra bad for his fans too... his fans were ride or die for this guy and all the crap they talked and he wasnt even the real deal... i mean who knows how long he was using this stuff... his whole career? since his major fights? etc etc.... its jsut a goddamn shame ... if he did do this illegal stuff i hope he gets a serious penalty

    thats what i thought.... i dont understand what all this "proving" talk is about
     
  8. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let's wait for the dust to settle. I've been a Marg. fan and he seems to be not only a great fighter, but a decent guy and a positive force in the sport. I will truely be bummed if he was loading up.

    It is getting a lot of attention too. The AOL home page had it up there with a picture of Marg. and a big accusation. This bad press may actually get people interested in boxing like a train wreck.
     
  9. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    that's really what disgusts me. they didnt even cover the fight then when they heard there was something scandalous, they're ****ing all over it.
     
  10. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Exactly. Not a goddamn thing has been PROVEN about this, and boxing fans are jumping to all sorts of wild conclusions. This is really one of the more sickening episodes of unwarranted assumptions I have seen in boxing. It's sad how little evidence is required to convict someone in the minds of some.
     
  11. NeckBreaknAiken

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    ZAK, don't all of a sudden become naive.

    We know that there was a foreign substance taken from the wrap of Margarito to be tested. regardless of whether that substance was a particular plaster or anything else, it was a foreign substance that had to be removed.

    What part about that don't you understand?

    Regardless of what it was there for, it was illegal and therefore he (his corner) was attempting to cheat. I will reserve my judgement to see just how much cheating he was trying to do.

    Don't be so naive.
     
  12. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Zak what's this proving thing about? They removed something hard from under his handwraps. The only question is what exactly the hard substance was. Gauze and tape dont get hard when wet, so he had to have something else in there. Again they didnt take his wraps they took the hard shell object that was inserted under the wraps. Proof is there and it is clear. Unless HBO, the state commission and other are lying.
     
  13. Zakman

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    But what if this foreign substance is simply, I don't know, for the sake of argument, vinegar!! Or some other thing that, while technically illegal, does not harden the wraps. That DOES make a difference in the seriousness of the offense. But people aren't even WAITING for the evidence to come in!!

    The point of the argument is that people are making assertions that it WAS "plaster of paris" and even worse, making assertions that he used this in other fights, when there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for that wild accusation. That's just WRONG!
     
  14. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The reports say it was a hard substance. As i said before gauze and tape doesnt get hard when wet. Whatever was removed was HARD, so something is up. I dont know if it was plaster or anything else. All i know is that it was hard and shouldnt have been in there. FFS it wasnt even apart of the wrap it was seperate from what was around his hand.
     
  15. nuevoleon72

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    People need to reserve judgement. If Margarito cheated before, how come the oponent's team hadn't noticed it before? Just two fights ago, Emanuel Steward was on the opposing corner. Given that Mr. Steward is probably the best trainer in the sport, wouldn't he, or his team, have noticed something illegal? Also, where the hell were the boxing commision's representatives? Aren't they suppose to inspect the wraps before the gloves go on? Was everybody blind before? As far as I'm concerned, the only person that has cheated before, is Mosley. Not taking anything away from his victory, he fought a smart fight. And then you have Lampley. What a piece of ****. He's already accusing Margarito and questioning his win over Cotto and Cintron without even waiting until the final results of so-called investigation. Hey Lampley, if the "cheating" was on HBO's watch, don't you think you should shut the hell up before accusing fighters of cheating!! :fire