Do we have to reevauate Vitalis WBC reign?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by itsa, Nov 29, 2015.


  1. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bear with me here

    - Beat Peter easier.
    - Beat Sanders easy, almost as easy as sanders beat wlad
    - Vitali goes for broke, is more unorthodox, better combos.
    - Actually Fought Chisora.

    Before 100 percent of this forum thought that wlad would have beaten Vitalis opponents anyway.

    Do you still agree? If you ask me, with vitali out of the picture, we have to accept the fact that Wlad may have lost his title a few years earlier.
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Now that the dust has settled on Vitali I'm fairly confident in saying he was the best HW in the world from Lewis retiring until his own second retirement.

    Wlad took the crown against Povetkin but before then I don't see a reason to say he was any better than Vitali.
     
  3. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree 100 percent. It was neck and neck maybe but I'd have to say overall Vitali was the better fighter but wlad fought more
     
  4. Oxygene2

    Oxygene2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Look, Wladimir has had a better reign by the stats, but I've always regarded Vitali as being slightly better and a more natural talent.

    Both have their arguments and those who prefer Wlad have good reason to. When evaluating their fighting strengths, I lean toward Vitali, and I also think he'd beat his brother - for the record.
     
  5. jdw2000

    jdw2000 Active Member Full Member

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    Anyone who even has to have this discussion knows sweet FA about boxing.

    Of course Vitali was better, you morons.
     
  6. GloriaAblaze

    GloriaAblaze Active Member Full Member

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    Vitali is the better fighter of the two, I don't think that's really up to discussion.
     
  7. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Agreed. For a long time, not even including H2H, I said Vitali's resume was underrated, and that he deserved a higher ATG ranking than his brother. The last couple of years that argument has been harder to maintain, but I think it became credible again last night.

    Its probably too great a risk to do, but if Vitali were to come back and beat Fury at his age (and I think Vitali could exploit things Wlad couldn't), then Vitali would establish himself as not only the best H2H (not really disputed anymore) but the best resume between the two.

    As it is, I still think there is some debate. What people forget is losses count against a resume just as wins count for. I think there is legitimate question as to whether Wlads losses count enough against his resume for Vitali to overtake his advantage in wins. And the win advantage is debatable in its scope. You could argue that the Sanders win for VK is better than any single win Wlad has.
     
  8. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    I've been saying for the longest time that Vitali's presence as "Co-Heavyweight Champion" during Wlad's streak of wins was GREATLY overlooked (and understated) by the vast majority. Not only was the division weak post-Lewis, but you had two of the best remaining active HWs essentially "tag-teaming" what was left of it.

    At least Wladimir admits that Vitali was always the better natural fighter. Wlad arguably possessed the better boxing technique, but Vitali had the fighter's will, the activity in the ring, and the Chin to go to war if needed. Ironically, Vitali is exactly the type of HW that Wladimir would have huge problems with.
     
  9. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Let's just say

    Vitali would have thrown punches
    He would have went for it
    He had killer intent, he wanted to hurt you every time. No exceptions. He wanted to take your head off your shoulders
     
  10. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    wlad had a lot more natural talent and more power especially with the left hook.

    vitali had a realy really good chin which meant he was a lot less tentative in his fights but he was a box by numbers straight up fighter whereas wlad had more variety /flexibility .movement.

    if they fought i think vitali would have won, his toughness winning out.