In another thread it talks about peters punch resistance going down... and ive seen it so many times before. Morales in his prime, he didnt feel the punches, now he feels them like never before he says... mayorga in his day could take an ass beating... the vargas that fought him, throwing with litte speed and torque on his punches would have never hurt prime mayorga... but because his chin has deteriated vargas was able to stun him a few times. ect, ect... what is it that happens in the brain that makes a warriors ability to take a punch lesson? i would think you would get MORE USED to getting hit and thus be able to take a better punch... that makes more sense to me.
i think everybody is different, not to mention that alot of fighters just stop staying in shape.... when your hungry, your in the gym everyday hitting it hard...when your wealthy, you tend to lag off a bit and not train as hard....i honestly think if a boxer stays in the gym and takes care of his body...he can be at 36-38 years of age and still be really good....like mosley....
Just the overall wear and tear on a persons body I suppose. From running 5 miles in the morning to lifting weights at night or whatever, it WILL eventually take it's toll. The body can only take so much and fighting for 10-15 years is gonna take a HUGE toll on the body. I would imagine it also, partially, comes down to how much hunger/drive a certain fighter has left.
thats kinda what i was thinking too... i mean, most fighters i have seen whos punch durability go down, its due to something else in my eyes. Vargas - ok its obvious on that one but HALF of that can be attributed to the complete abuse he puts his body through in between fights and boiling down for fights Mayorga - the guy just isnt in the same shape as before Roy - maybe he was boiling down too much i can understand a bit with not being able to REACT to punches as much so as the fight goes on your getting hit with more punches that you wouldnt have in your day.... but not the whole, the same punch that hurts you now wouldnt have hurt you back then.
that's true, but you dont have to train hard all the time....you can jog lightly, and do some shadowboxing and mit work when you dont have a fight.....then when you have a fight, train your ass off...
I think a couple of different things. Mainly staying in shape. Morales towards the end of his career was always severly weight drained. You started seeing his punch resistance fade during the Jesus chavez fight when he almost went down and was only saved by the ropes. Another thing is fighters going up in weight. Take a guy like Mayorga for example. At 147 he could probably take clean flush shots from just about everybody all day. At 154 and 160 that is much less likely. Mostly though I think that it comes from being punched too many times. Prolonged careers with hard fights have to take their toll on a man
I think it's fairly simple. The body naturally breaks down as one gets older. Then, if the body is constantly being beaten and bruised the nerves and tissue are going to be more sensitive as time goes on. For example: if a fighter gets cut pretty often early in their career they develop scar tissue and are more likely to be cut in fights for the remainder of their career, not the other way around. If a fighter suffers concussions, then as they continue to fight it is more likely that they will suffer more concussions. If a fighter's rib is broken, then it is more likely that it may be broken again, and so on and so forth. The body just works that way. When you are young you can run a mile whenever you feel like it, but when you get older you have to be in shape to do that. Father time wins out in the end.
i wish that were true. a good example of a man who satyed in shape all year round, was always sparring and training when possible was junior middlewieght terry norris. now mayb edurability wasnt his main asset. but he deterioted so quickly by 26 he was looking shot and by 30 was punch drunk beyond beilf
A lot of it is Genetics and God given Health,Fernando Vargas is a prime example, he wasn't even 30 yet but looked so much older, and with a bad Thyroid, Back, bad weight problems, everything was breaking down and he retired, he was also getting his ass handed to him inside the ropes.. Other guy'd like Calzaghe, Mosley are 36, 37 but still fight like they are in their 20,s and for the most part in very good Health, just like in Life some people are healthier than others..:deal
My immediate answer would be that he may be genetically predisposed in having a greater resistance to absorbing head shots. Or we may not see the effects until later. Just a thought.
I don't agree with ANYBODY above. Ali early in his career was dropped by some good fighters and even couple of bums too. Especially some guy by a left hook is couple unknown. (not Cooper) Towards the end of the career his punch resistance was UNREAL. Foreman was knocked OUT by Ali. Later on in his career, he couldn't be dazed, and we're talking fighters like Cooney, Morrison, Briggs, Holyfield. Holyfield still has a chin like NO OTHER. Gatti was KO'ed by Alfonso by I believe if he was taking a beating like that, early in his career, he would have been knocked out sooner. I think it's morely based on hunger. Mayorga just doesn't have the same fire anymore. That's why he complains about being hurt by Vargas, but laugher at Forrest. I think both hurt him, just early in his career he had toooo much pride to admit it but no he admits it being more mature and older. Andrey
yeah, but around that time holy was having alot of other issues.....mental problems play a big role too....
