Do we potentially have a REAL DEAL elite level fighter??

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  1. Bentchassis

    Bentchassis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Aside from Mundine and Katsidis who have already been discussed at length.

    Considering some of our more recent champion or popular fighters like Shannon Taylor, Paul Briggs, Nader Hamden, Rick Thornberry, Sakio Bika, Ben Rabah, Lovemore N'dou, Gary St Clair, Robbie Peden, Glenn Kelly, the Waters boys and more, have all had chances at certain points in their career, where wins over certain world class opponents or different paths taken to success could have possibly established elite level standing in the eyes of the many in world boxing circles.

    Unfortunately, in just about all of these cases our fighters have just fallen short of that international reputation for one reason or another.

    Looking at our current local talent it is hard to gauge anything other than their potential based on their performance against, not always great, domestic level competition or early losses like in the case of a green Pittman.

    For instance, if all the stars were aligned, I really think Daniel Geale has all the attributes to become an elite level fighter on the world scene. He has a fantastic amateur pedigree with olympic level experience and is now very technically sound. He has great movement and evasive skills, proven power, seems to adapt to most styles and most importantly continues to develop.

    From what you have seen and felt watching our local talent and their various styles, characteristics etc, would you consider any of the following to have a chance of becoming an elite level fighter on the world stage and if so why? Willy Kickett, Billy Dib, Jamie Pittman, Lenny Zapp, Jackson Asiku, Geale even Solo and Oganov or any of your own suggestions?? OR will most fall short??
     
  2. daz52

    daz52 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Alot of people seem to be rapt in Zappa im not impressed at all.. People say ohhh he loves a war hes so tough this and that at the end of the day once he takes a SMALL step up in class hes guna get KOed... You cannot fight the way he does against World-Class fighters or even average American fighters you will be knocked out... ITs plain and simple not rocket sciene you just cannot afford to get hit that much..

    Oganov already had his butt handed to him he was never anything special though most boxing people knew that and said it...

    Kickett i think has great potential as does Dib but Billy needs to calm down in the ring stop trying to fight so much like Prince Naz... I know everyone has his style but last time all the bull**** he carried on with nearly cost him a fight against no one special at all... Geale i think has the talent to be something special to he has imprssed me...
     
  3. Barge FTA

    Barge FTA Active Member Full Member

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    until our top fighters start to test themselves against the best, they will go nowhere. guys like Hussein Hussein go from fighting a thai cab driver to fighting for a world title. this just isn't going to prepare them for a world title.
     
  4. Bentchassis

    Bentchassis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Perhaps that's one of the reason's Dib is no longer fighting Linares, too many examples of Aussie fighters not being ready and losing the big fights.

    On the other hand you could argue that even in defeat, the Pittman / Katsidis losses, could possibly help their careers due to exposure and experience. This was not the case for the likes of Shannon Taylor or Ben Rabah though, so it's a fine line sometimes.

    In this climate, a fighter can't always afford to waste a big opportunity when they are not exactly coming thick and fast. It's tough financially for Aussie boxers and you wouldn't necessarily begrudge them the chance to earn big dollars even at the risk of damaging their careers.

    There's alot to be said for good management too, which I believe someone like Geale has.
     
  5. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    I think Kickett could potentially become something good, although not elite. To be honest, Australia hasn't had an Elite fighter since Kostya Tszyu and before that it was Fenech. Elite to me is a top p4p guy. We have had some decent fighters and title holders, but no one elite.
     
  6. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    I haven't actually seen any of Geale yet... Would be interested to have a look if anyone has any clips anywhere...
     
  7. Box-on

    Box-on Member Full Member

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    I can't see anyone really bar maybe Kickett, but not 'elite'. Unfortunately due to our rather isolated location on the map and the very poor level of exposure boxing receives here is Oz I can't see thing really improving. Now and again we get one out of the box such as Vic D, Fenech, Tszyu etc but as mentioned when most have to step up it's far too big a step. Kelly, Waters and Thornberry as an example were way outclassed, our best shot was Briggs with the Adamek wars. Let's face it as a sport it's tough (no teamates here) no exposure as in Rugby League, Union, Cricket etc and bugger all money for most. Ask the average Joe on the street and he will prolly know Mundine, Green, Hopoate and maybe Les Mason. The last 2 due to getting press.
     
  8. Sox

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    I think Daniel Geale is one of our best current prospects.
    He's young, only been in the game as a pro for 4 years, and looks very very good.

    Rick.
     
  9. raff

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  10. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Get ex-perience overseas against better-but-beatable latinos, el Latino like a Mehikan. Training's much better over there, solid sparring. Just to get the hang of it. You know! it's much better than stayin in Aus, beating Filos and Thais,shite boxers...
     
  11. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I like Dan Geale but he is not worldchampionship material.

    He would be lucky to challenge for a real title.

    I think he isnt made for pro boxing, he is a little bit chinny and he knows this now, and it seems to effect his confidence.

    Kickett looks great now but it will be some time before we know if he is the real deal or not.
     
  12. CarltonBlues

    CarltonBlues Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kickett could be great but he's very raw at the moment, I hope they don't rush him.
     
  13. Bentchassis

    Bentchassis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I never saw the Comer knock down but he obviously recovered well enough. I saw the Gonzales and Oti ones and they were more flash knock downs more than anything else.

    He definitely lost confidence though, particulary after Gonzales, you could see it in his movement mostly as he def seemed more tentative, he still he won his next 5 or so fights quite convincingly, though it was expected of him to KO those opponents and when he didn't people jumped off him a bit. He removed some doubt for me against the big punching Dawson when it seemed his ability to control the distance in the fight frustrated Dawson and his big right never really came into play.

    Overall their are some pretty good fighters going around at the moment that earlier in their career had suspect chins or had been knocked down, Cotto for example even DLH was hurt. All Im saying is it's not all bad for Geale in that respect and Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, though your point is valid and I could be proven wrong.
     
  14. Bentchassis

    Bentchassis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've only got tapes and can't find footage anywhere on youtube or the w.b.v.a site.
    I might try and convert the tapes to DVD and then attempt to post it at some stage, ideally during my work hours!!
     
  15. huricn

    huricn bhsboxing.com Full Member

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    imo our best chance at a ligit world title are.

    Geale
    Tausa
    Zappa
    Kickett
    Rocky