Do we read too much into Furys magical night against Wlad?

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  1. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    It was a magical night, it was a technically awful fight but Tyson Fury had the brains and the tools to do what was needed to get the job done over a seemingly dominant force. I feel Wlads style and mentality was there to be exposed for years but the right kind of fighters wernt around to do it. He wasnt facing good big men. The big men were slow and slobbish and unfit or he was facing decent shorter fighters who just were just held at distance by a bigger man with a fantastic jab and as soon as they got in close they were smothered and leaned on.

    Tyson Fury knew this, he knew Wlad had that safety 1st aproach and Tyson is a good big man. Good enough and smart enough. He has a big reach himself and is even bigger than Klitchko. Wlad knew there was a danger his jab and grab tecnique wouldnt work so well against somebody that big who could also move and after they had got through all the pressers and Fury had kicked off at all Wlads subtle little tricks like the gloves and the spongey ring. It all got to him and worried.

    In the fight all Fury had to do was keep being and acting all unorthadox and spontanious and anytime Wlad was about to do something he would twitch his head and jerk his body and Wlad would step off and reset, Safety 1st, Fury just did a little bit more and stopped Wlad by doing what he was doing and he was picking up the rounds. Before Wlad knew it it was too late, gave it a go in the 12th but too late.

    It was a fantastic thing for Fury. I gave him full credit for what he did in the fight and the build up and he fully deserved the victory. But what he did there was a one off. Wlad is still to this day kicking himself over that spineless looking performance, he was ashamed of himself. I see why he so desperately wanted that rematch. He wanted to right his wrongs. Thats also why we saw a much more energetic and agressive Wlad against anthony Joshua, he wasnt going to go out like he did against Fury again.

    But that was definatly a case of styles make fights, mentalitys make fights. None of what he did against Wladimir, as smart as it was, will really work against anybody else. Other fighters bring different challenges, if hed rematched Wlad it would of brought all new challenges. What he did against Wlad was pretty much a master plan. But can he create a master plan for a Wilder or a Joshua?

    You may say yeah why not, ive even just admitted hes already done it before. But again, styles make fights, Weve never seen brilliance from him before have we? Hes moves damn well for a such a big man i give him that, hes got some skills for sure i give him that too, but are there any other fights where any of us were really WOW'ed? Any other fights where we thought "Hell weve got a real star here"? I just cant think of any and to be honest the reason hardly anybody gave him a chance against Wlad is because none of us had seen anything from him before to say he could.

    Is he a crazy gifted genius? Or was that night in Germany just one of those nights where all the planets alligned for him?
     
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  3. HerolGee

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    beating a 38 yr old man isnt difficult when that guy was hardly built on h2h ability, should have been an easy passing of torch but tyson forgot to pick up the torch apparently.

    theres nothing more to it, he fought middling in the event, just wlad was way worse.
     
  4. HerolGee

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    if fury want tto return with success he needsto get past calling this a "magical night", it was anything but. in another era it would have been a contention bout, not title, something you build a real career on top of, not hang it as your trophy.

    fury needs to get muchbetter.
     
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  5. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Im calling it a magical night. I cant say ive ever heard him call it that. As a big fan i didnt get too bothered about the awful technical fight i was having a magical night watching Fury doing what i thought was a near impossible task.
     
  6. Okin129

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    The short answer is yes.

    The long answer is ... the best punch Fury has ever thrown was the uppercut in his own face and the performance against Wlad has nothing to do with his fight against Wilder because it won't work against him as you correctly pointed out.

    But that doesn't mean that he is a bum, because he would probably beat everyone not named Wilder or Joshua and maybe Ortiz, because luckily for him, he is huge and his movement is really good for his size combined with a solid jab and huge reach advantage which is enough for him to beat the most heavyweights.
     
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  7. Angler Andrew

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    Thing is we all saw what happened in the last round wher Wlad actually let his hands go,take nothing away though but imo that performance spoke as much about Wlads unusual performance as it did Fury’s brilliance.
     
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  8. N17

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    It was an awful fight, all anybody has to do is go back and look at the RBR, I found it absolutely hilarious, the fight and both fighters were absolutely slaughtered.

    The way I see it is like this.. It was a great achievement by Fury but a really poor performance.

    Nobody can knock Fury for beating Klitschko in Germany, he did what he had to do and fair play to him.

    But this win somehow gets better and better as the weeks, months and years go by and the performance is also now being remembered by some as a legendary performance when at the time it was heavily criticised.

    So, yes we do read too much in to it but I also think we should give Fury huge credit for going to Germany and beating Klitschko.
     
  9. Badbot

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    It was a brilliant performance from Fury. He feinted Wlad all night long. He then hid his own offense in his feints.
    Whenever Wlad adapted to the timing of any of Fury´s feints, Fury would himself use it to set traps.
     
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  10. HerolGee

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    ok, i am glad you had a magical night at home that time. Iget that it was fun to see mega cheat wlad getting beat up without his cheats.

    butg tyou know, noone calls holmes ali or rocky louis magical nights, they were pitious nights, and those two were leagues ahead of wlad.
     
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  11. lewis gassed

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    It was a god awful fight. Wlad laid an egg because he's old and was at the end of his career but for some reason Fury was happy to match him and laid one too.
     
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  12. HerolGee

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    i guesss we didnt watch all the other rounds
     
  13. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Im certainly not calling him a bum, when fully or even nearly fully fit i see him as top level Heavyweight. But i just dont think hes as good as we are remembering him being and we only really base it on that 1 fight, that 1 fight where he really had Wlads number.
     
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  14. NoNeck

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    Ray Austin was a slimy big man kind of like Fury with an underappreciated resume. Wlad just put him away, even though he was generally durable. Also Thompson didn't cause too much of a problem. Those fights suggest that Wlad at his best would've handled Fury.

    It was still a very good win though and almost all of the heavyweight division at the time (except maybe Joshua, Ortiz, and Wilder) would've stood no chance.
     
  15. Okin129

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    You can't base someones ability on only one fight, it doesn't work that way, Wlad was the only opponent with
    similar physical dimensions to a Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua, also Wlad was a painfully cautious fighter,
    when you look at his other opponents, they all were a lot smaller than him and mostly slow and plodding fighters
    like Chisora or Hammer which played into his cards.

    One of the only dynamic and more athletic fighters he fought in Steve Cunningham gave him troubles, that fight
    and a lot of other fights where he didn't look dominant have to be considered.
     
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