Do We Seriously Underate How Fighters Do Against B+ Competition On ESB?

Very much so

I always say, it's not just who you beat but how you do it. But really it is being able to analyse and appraise a fighters skill set that is badly lacking in these parts, too many boxrec warriors

 

Defo. How many b+ fighters has Jones dispatched with ease, yet gets ridiculed for it.

Everyone loves Gatti and highlight his trilogy with Ward, yet Mayweather annihilates him and is said to be cherry picking.


Countless more examples of this.

 

Some Of These Guys Are Very Good And Words Like Xposed Shot And So On Are Always On Here. Half The People On Here Probably Haven't Even Won A Fistfight Or Have Been In One.....!

 

can't speak for the rest of ESB.

i don't underrated these wins but i don't overrate them either.

 

Strongly agree. Even worse is when so many keyboard warriors here will call a solid B/B+ fighter "C" level or even worse (a "bum") to discredit the wins by a fighter they don't like or hate. They're frigin' forum tools. It's like do you have to be lock HOF status to be considered just good to these clowns :-(

 

But ironic to this statement, which I agree with, they seem to hype guys that are nothing more than B to B+ as if they are going to be future ATG's and then view the BEST prospects with total suspicion. That personally blows my mind.

They even view some of the best fighters with suspicion.

Some Jorge Linares booster really believed that right now he could jump to 130 and beat Guzman. That's ridiculous and sad that an A level like Guzman gets so underrated.

 

Preaching to the choir... and you're right it goes in the other direction too.
Let's face it - most of this bias (in either direction) is based on national or racial/ethnic colored glasses.

 

Yes, sorta. But even Mosley didn't beat alot of B+ fighters, but alot of C+ and B level fighters.

De La Hoya is a better example of someone who's resume gets underrated here. People say. "Well everytime he stepped up he lost". One, that isn't true, but beyond that, he lost to ATG's. He easily beat alot of B to B+ level champions that he gets no credit for, more than anyone in this generation.

 

Not with the Linares-Guzman comparison though. Linares has so many boosting fans who really think he's a future P4P talent(I personally feel and know he's just a good B+)and Guzman just has a bunch of doubters.

It's not really ethnic here, both are hispanic.

Another prime example was last year everyone doubting Cotto prior to Judah and Mosely, but then hyping up Joshua Clottey big time just for showing some skill against the very overrated Antonio Margarito. Then the same thing with Williams, he was supposed to be a big hassle to PBF.

So it's a problem both ways. Calling a good top 30 fighter a bum is absurd, hell, even calling a good mid level journeyman a bum is absurd. I try to call fighters for what they are, but these guys who take a solely 'good fighter' and make him out to be something great get on my nerves personally more than the idiots who think anyone not in the P4P top 10 is not worth anyone's time.

 

I think alot of losses get underrated as well.

For example Mosley's 2nd loss to Winky Wright, for me that was a great performance, but most people will see it as a blemish.

 

Ahem.....Jermain Taylor.....Ahem.

 

True, so was his 2nd loss to Forrest, which he put on a better showing.

 

The issue is that I had him clearly losing to Quartey, Whitaker & Sturm, along with his other losses and those are real negatives, even with how he blew through B level competition. Let me also add that I had the Tito fight a draw.

I would call DLH a great fighter, but a top level 'ATG' like some mention, no. He's not a legitimate top 40 fighter.

He had the capability of beating all of those guys but Hopkins, I will of course give him that, but he didn't.

 

You had him clearly losing to Quartey and Whitaker? Both those fights were close enough to go his way, and Trinidad, as you well know, most people had him beating.

You don't call him an ATG at all per our last discussion, even though IMO he clearly is. Just near 60's or 70's.