Do We Seriously Underate How Fighters Do Against B+ Competition On ESB?

I never called him a bum, I have always contested that he's a 'fraud' and not what anybody thought he was, which was not a true elite.

Is he good? He wouldn't be here if that's not the case. I've never realistically mentioned that he was a 'bum', meaning no ability or skill at all.

And also, **** Jermain Taylor, I don't even want to talk about that piece of garbage.

 

Your posts are harder and harder to figure out when you are being "realistic".

And Taylor was never a fraud. For him to be a fraud, HE would have to do something or say something that he was not. Not his fans. They were misinformed or overzealous. Again, this has no bearing on Taylor himself, who you have an unhealthy dislike for considering the upstanding guy he has always been in victory AND defeat.

 

I hope he just retires, then I won't have to see him mentioned again. It's irritating when a B+ level fighter like Taylor is boosted to be an elite P4P and given unfair advantages, to me he's a representation of what's wrong with boxing.

I hear Kessler versus Taylor is a possible match this year, I hope it happens so everyone can see just how much more unevolved these overrated fighters are to real elite fighters that get little to no praise due to ignorance.

Despite the fact that Pavlik barely beat Taylor this last time out, it has still given him a P4P top 10 spot. If Kessler blows Taylor out in 3 rounds, he wouldn't be.

That's the idiocy we deal with. Pavlik being so flawed allowed Taylor to look better in the 2nd fight and almost gave the fight away. Yet the fans were impressed by both guys, when it's not worth being impressed about considering the undercard performance by the great Cristian Mijares.

 

Well you're keeping up w/the other divisions better than I am. But I said in most
cases the bias is national or racial/ethnic - and we both know that within a broad group like Hispanic, there can be many "tribal" divisions.
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Agree - except the bias in either direction gets on my nerves about the same

 

You can tell a lot about a fighter based on how they do against B level competition.

For instance, Jermain Taylor struggles to beat B level opposition and has lost 2 fights to a B level fighter. Mikkel Kessler has barely lost a round against B level opposition.

 

Vitali and Vlad are great against B level or A level.

 

Well, it would be a country to country thing, except that I only know two Dominican posters on here and no Chilean posters on here, which are Guzman's and Linares's nationalities I believe.

And all of the fans that I am talking about are either British, Phillipino or American and have no ethnic ties to these guys. It's a matter of fighter prefferance, but it's just amusing how so many fighters who are evidently flawed just get so overrated by many and then some of the best are just **** on.

Jermain Taylor and his whole deal is a prime example. Then we have a couple of brilliant European's around the general division that either don't get press or get criticised down for basically being vastly superior to the likes of Jermain Taylor.

 

See guys, you all say that I'm too harsch on Taylor, but the first thing that anybody thinks of with overrated is Jermain Taylor and how he was projected to be a future ATG.

And then how Mikkel Kessler is criticised for being MUCH better.

And then these dumb fans who think dropping 4-5 rounds in each fight against Ouma and Spinks is more impressive for a large MW-SMW sized fighter than dominating Andrade and Mundine respectively. You just can't even win.

 

Never made the comparison. Don't care too.

I am talking about Taylor on his OWN merits is not a fraud. The opinions of posters should be held against the poster and not against the fighter. Taylor himself never claimed anything other than he was going to do his best.

 

When is the last time anyone has tried to prop up Jermaine? The guy has been getting criticised for years. Even people in his own hometown turned on him years ago.

 

He's profited heavily off of being lesser than what a real elite fighter is due to greed and corruption, and instead, many potential elite's get locked out.

He's a perfect representation of this and he'd bad for boxing on top of it. ****er can't even speak correctly and it's not just the stutter, he really is just a dumb person and provided many **** poor fights at that.

Everything about him and his aura is obnoxious.

 

That was a reach. And even then, that's BOXING'S fault. He profited from getting in the ring and fighting. He did his job, his only job. No matter how you spin this, it's not Taylor's fault nor has he misrepresented himself.

That part about him being dumb and having a stutter was utterly unnecessary. Clouded judgement Amsterdam. And I think this has more to do with Calzaghe then Taylor (IE. Taylor getting props and being pushed as the next big thing while Calzaghe gets criticized).

 

Do your thing KG!!

 

Yeah, because he can't represent himself period. He's a pawn and a monument of everything that needs to change in the sport.

Not at all, plenty of people can represent themselves well and have a speech impediment. Taylor is truly just a dumb **** and I can't stand listening to him speak. This is the kind of representitive of the MW division that we had for 2 years, 2 hellish years with this overrated piece of ****ing trash that never belonged anywhere but as a decent contender.

Anybody who wants to defend this situation is the one with clouded judgement. It's almost as if we're being 'anti-elite fighters being on top' a little bit.

This has to do with every underrated, phenominal fighter that gets NOTHING while any of these overrated, supposedly marketable B levels...

Let me name a few more - Linares, Donaire, Berto...

... Get massive hype behind them and we're stuck with them all. And then the establishment can just feed them the right opponents with name recognition that should pose little threat, just like Linares' little coming out against Larios and how these dumb fans recieved it. Despite it being EVIDENT that Linares is just a ****ing B level that can be a B+ with all of his flaws.

It's sickening.