Do you agree with dmatos assessment of Louis vs Ali?

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  1. itsa

    itsa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Aka Cassius clay. Decent doc.

    Dmato claims that Ali at a point would stop and allow Ali to plant his feet. Allowing louis to ko him.

    I tend to agree with Ali that louis was just a tad too slow for ali. While I agree Louis would tear him up on the exchange, I don't see him getting there. I definitely don't see a stoppage.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ali UD. Louis great but slow feet. If he had trouble catching Billy Conn and Walcott...
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    There were a lot of versions of Ali and of Louis. IMO, a prime Louis catches and dispatches most versions of Ali with the exception of that latter stage 74 Ali who dealt Foreman his career changing defeat.

    For all the talk of Ali's greatness, Louis was better.
     
  4. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ali prolly too big, skilled, athletic for Louis. Louis much better power, has puncher's chance.
     
  5. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Alis own comments in the book by Thomas Hauser callEd The Life And Times.

    Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee, Joe Louis wont hit what Joe Louis cant see.

    I tend to agree.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Ali not only beats Louis, he has a real chance of dropping him along the way.imo.
     
  7. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Louis wins, in my opinion. Each has style traits that the other can exploit, though.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    I think Louis would outjab Ali and land to the body. Whether he could KO him late I don't know. Louis at his peak was incredible fast, it's weird to me that people label him "slow".
     
  9. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like Ali by decision. Mobility being the main factor.
     
  10. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Louis was too slow of foot to even slightly trouble Ali. Wide UD possibly a late stoppage, but unless Ali got incredibly careless it is impossible for him to lose the fight.
     
  11. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    CORRECT U. It is not how "fast" your feet move, it is how correct your hand speed and mind can coordinate and trigger the
    "openings" your mind "sees". Couple this with perfect "leverage "
    and you have Joe Louis, at his zenith the greatest and most potent combination puncher the fight game ever produced...The Joe Louis of the Max Baer and Schmeling #2 era was a lightning
    lights out destroyer who would have surely at some point landed
    his powerful combination punches on Clay/Ali and badly hurt him
    and dispatch him sooner or later in the fight. Ali never got hit with so many one-two combos ever in his career, and as a
    prominent boxing physician of those days stated " the human body was not made to withstand the blows of Joe Louis once he had you hurt ". Amen.
    P.S. for new posters who know little of what the young Joe Louis
    attack looked like google the Max Baer fight and watch the triple
    left hooks landing on Max Baer's concrete chin, so fast and potent, once described by a writer "like a coil spring unwinding".
    Joe Louis for the ages...
    it takes your breath away...
     
  12. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    +1
     
  13. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I like Joe's precise, extremely efficient punching technique and combos here. Timing and placement can nullify speed, and Louis does it well enough to win.
     
  14. uncletermite

    uncletermite Boxing Addict banned

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    I believe Damato changed his assessment of Ali later on,after the foreman fight.claiming ali was the best Hw ever,not Louis.Louis to predictable for the mover,ali would run circles around him,70's Ali wins easy.
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    A lot would depend on what strategy Louis implemented.

    He could win this, but only with the right plan.