Do you agree with dmatos assessment of Louis vs Ali?

Dempsey was beaten so badly in sparring by Greb he refused to fight him. Louis had major trouble with Conn. Johnson refused to rematch Sam Langford after he had matured into a legit heavyweight threat. Liston had his jaw broken by little Marty Marshall and lost a decision. Ali had major trouble with Doug Jones. Holmes lost decisions to Spinks. Wlad was ko'd bu Brewster. Do you see the common denominator here? None of those fighters were as good as prime Frazier on the nights they beat or were avoided by their bigger opponents. There are literally hundreds of more examples. That would be a waste of my time though since you're probably not aware of these famous examples.

 

Yet your entire post ignore the FACT they ALL enjoyed sizable advantages throughout their respective careers,sorry no weasling will change that FACT.I say FACT and cap it,because you seem to avoid those. To try and sell me size means little when the proof is in the champions themselves shows you are not really that smart after all.

If prime Frazier is that good why did you fail to give me any logical view how he defeats a 6'7 250 pound elite fighter?You couldn't because you would sound foolish in doing so.:-(


P.S was Conn a dominant HW champ ,ever? You even used Holmes losing to Spinks even though any knowledgable person with two eyes can see who actually won BOTH fights..atsch


Even if I used Tyson that's still only ONE guy who overcame size disparities of large proportions,and he was 215/220 so he wasn't really that small was he? :nut

 

you are either a very good dullard or a very poor troll.

 

Yet you are the same guy who said Futch would know more than me,then I provided you him saying Bowe was his best fighter over frazier,then you took off,whys that?

 

I took off? I have this thing called a "job". I don't sit on forums all day trying to elicit responses from folks. I also go to this place called a "gym" for a couple hours a day, further impeding my ability to trade wonderful insights with the likes of you.

Just so you know, I met Eddie Futch numerous times, even tried an interview that got disrupted, met Rock Newman (the disrupter) and Rid**** Bowe, also, saw the latter spar and fight. Would you like to tell me all about Eddie Futch and what he said?

I believe the quote about Rid**** Bowe is that "he could be the best heavyweight I ever trained"... not that he was.

 

Ive already given you a logical breakdown in the other thread. You constant rebuttal is size trumps everything. Unfortunately for you this isnt true as history proves you wrong and myself correct. You can whine all you want, you're not going to cbange history and you certainly cant say history has never repeated itslf. Of course you're the guy who thinks he knows more about this sport than everyone pointing out just how ridiculous you sound but also boxing historians and Eddie Futch himself. Congratulations, you are know universally recognized as one of the biggest and most foolish trolls on this site. Dont stop now though, I think you should shoot for number one! Lmao!!

 

That was pretty much exactly the quote. In other words he saw great potential at the time before finding out the same desire wasnt there. Things like this have been said MANY times during a fighters career. The difference with his quote about Louis and Ali was both were done with their careers at that point which makes things much easier to evaluate. Unfortunately termite will never understand this because it doesnt suit his argument.

 

Well he states Bowe was his best talent,and fighter so I don't know what to tell you. In 1992 he clearly puts bowe over Frazier,and anyone including futch thinks that the 6'5 230 bowe would not out box Frazier is off there rocker,i don't even think frazier beats an 96 bowe who Golota beat up.

 

Yes because a bigger more elusive ,counter puncher /southpaw,who in your head backed Vitali up byrd,you claimed Frazier would do the same even though hes never really fought all but one true HW puncher in his entire career....that was your breakdown...the end! Little bonevena a former lhw/cruiser nearly whacked Frazier out with a tko in round 2 :nut

 

No my breakdown was a bit more detailed. But hey, if you want to go the Bonavena route (who lost by the way) than I'll just stick with the Vits is a quitter route and would have no answer for Frazier.

 

you cant go anywhere with me,you tried weasling out with the little referances here and there,unfortu****yt im a bit to smart for it....just remember Frazier got flattened twice in round two from a guy who wouldn't even qualify as Vitalis sparring partner...theres also a Bowe vs frazier thread that I commented on and referenced others posts if you want the beatings to continue feel free to join in don't worry they wouldn't be as brutal to what Vitali would do to frazier in real life... :yep



You couldn't really give a real breakdown and avoided one in this match up maybe you can grace everyone with your presence of boxing knowledge and tell how Frazier defeats the giant Bowe surly you have Frazier winning this too right?......:deal

 

Just remember, Vits quit against a small, light hitting Byrd. Couldnt even knock him down let alone out. Its funny how you are trying to change the subject at hand to anything else though since you were outed by Eddie Futch's own words. Of course an armchair warrior like yourself knows more than one of the greatest boxing trainers ever. Lol! As far as a Bowe-Frazier fight goes....it really depends on which Bowe shows up. If its the Bowe from the first Holy fight than I'd favor him. Not because of size, but because he could fight on the inside, something Vits has never proven capable of. You might know this if you actually watched them fight.

 

Its all good i'll take a real serious shoulder injury in a lopsided fight im winning over getting floored by a guy half the size of Vitali. :good


And no I already backed up my opinion with futches own words,as stated theres more where that came from on the other thread,where you will get more of the samwe like here. :deal


Bowe can beat Frazier but Vitali cannot???

 

All you tell me is that you dont know how to guage figters and there different styles when contemplating these kinds of match ups.

 

Listen pal. Vitali is big, so there!