Do you agree with the BoxRec HW ATG list?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ikrasevic, Aug 15, 2022.

Do you agree with the BokRec HW ATG list?

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  1. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Икрашевић Full Member

    Nov 3, 2021
    #1 Muhammad Ali
    #2 Joe Louis
    #3 Lennox Lewis
    #4 Floyd Patterson
    #5 Rocky Marciano
    #6 Evander Holyfield
    #7 Wladimir Klitschko
    #8 Gene Tunney
    #9 Sonny Liston
    10 Tyson Fury

    Why do you agree?
    Why don't you agree?

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  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

    Apr 3, 2012
    The list is based on a formula. It’s not an opinion. There’s nothing to agree or disagree with.
  3. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 15, 2006
    The rankings of Patterson and Tunney will raise the most eyebrows.

    In Patterson's case I can at least see why a statistical approach would place him high.
  4. ivancho

    ivancho New Member Full Member

    Nov 23, 2020
    HELL no, wheres larry holmes? he should be top 3
  5. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 22, 2004
  6. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 22, 2015
    It starts off ok then deteriorates from there.
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  7. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

    Feb 21, 2009
    I don't know where to start really, so I'll begin here: Patterson and no Dempsey? Tunney and no Holmes? Liston and no Foreman? Even a pure statistical approach is not usually that bad!
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  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 25, 2014
    I'm with you. Melio Bettina is listed as the 40th best heavyweight ever. And he was only ranked at heavyweight for two years during the mid 40s.

    Who knew?

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  9. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Resident Gadfly Full Member

    Sep 22, 2021
    In there P4P at one point Bivins was like 4th lol.
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  10. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

    Oct 28, 2017
    I don't agree because of that thing between my ears that won't shut up
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  11. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 15, 2006
    As others have said, it is a statistical approach.

    For the most part it identifies the head to head monsters, such as Louis, Ali and Lewis.

    We can perhaps give it a pass for missing men like Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey, based on the fog of their era.

    It completely misses Larry Holmes, which is a serious omission, with no similar excuse

    It also gets triggered by men like Patterson, who have impressive statistics on paper, but clearly weren't as dangerous as some of the other men on the list.
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  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    Feb 11, 2005
    Marciano is far too high.
  13. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    I’m ok with the top three but from there things go down hill. As much as I love Floyd Patterson and respect him, there’s no way he’s the 4th best heavy of all time. As others have mentioned they don’t have Holmes in their top 10 which I find a tad bizarre. Tunney was a great fighter p4p but I wouldn’t have him in the heavyweight top 10. Tyson Fury is a head to head monster but his resume is too thin to make the list right now. There are other discrepancies but I’ll stop there
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    Dec 31, 2009
    And yet so Uncharacteristic from you.
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  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    Feb 11, 2005
    Yes, I am characteristically correct.
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