Do you agree with these Tiers of Greatness for 90s-00s fighters?

It's a combination of both.

I agree Winky would've trashed Oscar, but Oscar was at his best at 135-140 IMO, and Winky was a natural 154lbs fighter.

If Winky had got the decisions he deserved vs Vargas and Taylor, I think everyone would rate him higher than they do.

I think he is a superb and underrated fighter, I am a fan of his, but just don't think he has the depth to his resume that those in the higher tiers do.

 

I can't think of anything more fair than basing the system primarily on resume.

 

:huh Lewis's resume is clearly better than Wlad's.

 

Then Ken Norton has to be placed in the same ATG tier as Muhammad Ali - atsch


Then Jose Luis Castillo has to be placed in the same ATG tier as Floyd Mayweather Jr - atsch


Then Jermain Taylor has to be placed in the same ATG tier as Bernard Hopkins - atsch


Then Montell Griffin has to be placed in the same ATG tier as James Toney - atsch


Then Frankie Randall has to be placed in the same ATG tier as Julio Cesar Chavez - atsch


Then... :dead Congratulations on the dumbest post in the thread.


(and I assume that in your weird and wonderful world of ******ation that:

- Junior Jones must rank HIGHER than Marco Antonio Barrera

- Ricardo Mayorga must rank HIGHER than Vernon Forrest

- Vernon Forrest must rank HIGHER than Shane Mosley)

...


Disgraceful post. You ought to be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. :deal

 

I'm a fan of both fighters, but here are some reasons:

- Going by the official cards, Hopkins went undefeated from 1993 to 2005, his prime was not punctuated by sloppy KO losses like Lewis's was

- Going by my own cards, Hopkins has lost 1 fight in his entire career, and that was to a peak RJJ

- Effectively, Lewis retired at the same point where Hopkins 'lost' to Taylor, ie when he was older and realized his skills were becoming blunted by age. But whereas Lewis retired when he reached that point, Hopkins went on to win titles in another weight class (twice actually), and make history by becoming the oldest fighter to win a world title ever

- I rank Hopkins 5th OAT at mw, after Greb, Monzon, Hagler and SRR. I do not rank Lewis as highly as 5th OAT at hw, because I have Ali, Louis, Langford, Holmes and Johnson ahead of him, at least, maybe Wills too. Potentially more as I don't have a fixed hw list

- Considering their respective abilities and skillsets all-round, I believe 1996-2002 Hopkins was a superior fighter to the best version of Lewis

- I think Hopkins's best wins (Trinidad, Tarver, Pavlik, Pascal II) are slightly better than Lewis's best wins (Golota, Holyfield II, Klitschko, Tua), all things considered, though LL's res may have more depth

- Hopkins has superior longevity


This is all I can think of now, but at least you can see my reasoning even if you don't agree with it. I really like both Lewis and Hopkins, but view Hopkins as the greater fighter.