Do you agree with these Tiers Of Greatness for the best MMA fighters ever?

Bit of a ludacrus statement this IMO , Noguerra can box , Werdum has stand up skills of sorts , but he's a completely un'natural striker , and it shows in his technique , if you pitted these two in a kickboxing spar Noguerra would pick him apart .

Noguerra is essentially in MMA terms a boxer , i still think Werdum is a one dimensional grappler , he is effective in MMA with his loose striking game because he is such a dangerous grappler as shown in the Overeem fight and numerous others where he's held his own against far superior strikers

 

Hendo has fought all but GSP in your top tier list. That in itself has to count for something.

I mean this guy even fought Alan Goes (Another Carlson Protege) who nobody wanted to fight at the time and Hendo was just starting out.

I dont have the full list but Id like to see it side by side with Big Nogs.

I'm just mentioning this because there might be an oversight here even on my part, and that is maybe Hendo has the best resume in all of MMA.

 

Definitely on longevity, and with respect to the weight class, Nog didnt have the luxury of yoyoing divisions as a HW. But Hendo moved to 205 from 185 in both the UFC & SF because he couldnt beat either of the Champs there at the time

And I dont think his resume edges Big Nog's imo. The only guy Nog didnt beat in his prime was Fedor, and he went through hell to achieve his other victories as the punches took their toll.

As I pointed out, Hendo failed to beat Anderson, Shields and Jackson. Not a criticism, but if he had beaten just 1 of these guys, that may have given him the push over Nog

 

Where do you see Royce Gracie fitting?

 

Hendo probably has the best record in terms of people he's fought namewise.

I mean

Fedor
Big Nog x 2
A Silva
W Silva x 2
Rampage
Little Nog
Franklin
Arona
Vitor

is an 11 fight murderers row and for a second batch of opponents

Palhares
Feijao
Bisping
Goes
Newton
Bustamante x2
Misaki x2
Ninja
Yvel
Babalu
Shields

would be a pretty amazing career for anyone else on their own.

 

I think you'd need two posts to do Horn's resume justice

 

Being the undisputed best p4p fighter at his best & fighting mostly LHWs when he was a quite small MW himself... I dont want to hear that fighters are much better now because a lot of the fighters back then are still good fighters today despite being further past their best.

Georges has never even tested MW despite being able to cut thru the welters like they are nothing & Anderson walks around heavier than the LHW limit, has run out of challengers at MW & still wont step up to the most talent packed division (LHW) to test himself except for those 2 fights vs Griffin & that bum (cant remember his name.)

Pound for pound ability & domination of an era are important, Sakuraba was thee man at his best.

 

Even if you cut it down to wins Hendo has 15+ very good ones

 

My tier one is (in order of debut) Frank Shamrock, Randy Couture, Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Fedor Emelianenko and Georges St. Pierre.

 

I believe Nogueira has the best resume in MMA bar none. While Fedor twice bettered him his other losses were SD's that were avenged via a UD and a submission.

Coleman, Cro Cop, Herring, Kharitonov were all beaten by Nogueira before they fought Fedor.

Hes also brilliant at finishing. Look at how many of his wins he got the stoppage in.

Also the guy comparing his standup to Werdum, they fought in PRIDE and Nogueira was utterly dominant on the feet even dropping him which Nogueira isnt really known for. All the while not afraid to go to the ground with a better bjj artist.:bbb

 

Liddell, Cro Cop and Shogun are all greater than Saku....better resume than Saku....AND
Saku overall ability wasn´t that good in my opinion, a great grappler but a terrible, really terrible striker...

 

Are Liddel, Cro Cop & Shogun great grapplers?

 

Good point....But Cro Cop and Liddel are very good defensive grapplers....Shogun too...very decent jiu-jitsu...