Do you agree with these Tiers Of Greatness for the best MMA fighters ever?

If its laughable, then its laughable to have the likes of Jack Johnson in boxing heavyweight top ten. Shamrock can't fight people who came after he retired - when ranking between different eras you have to primarily consider a fighters place within his era. Throughout the nineties Shamrock fought pretty much everybody and his last UFC run some him dominant a division despite being undersized, ending his reign by beating the man who would then go on to have the longest title reign in UFC history to that point.

 

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So Fedor's best wins are Nog, Cro Cop and errrr Sylvia who lost to a 45 year old Randy, Arlovski who gets ko'd by a breeze and Marc Coleman who lost to Pete Williams and Takada. I guess Fedor has the edge over Frank because Shamrock was beating a load of cans in between big fights with the likes of Bas, Funaki Horn and Tito. Fedor would never do that would he....

GSP has beaten Matt Hughes in his 46th fight and little ole BJ (and Penn's win over Hughes is dismissed because it was twiced avenged according to your rules. And one of Bas' wins was a cut stoppage, so Fedor now has 4 loses) who beat him senseless for a round and guys like Fitch and Shields who are a testament to the leaps and bounds that MMA has evolved since Shamrock was fighting one dimensional guys....

Get the point or shall I go through the rest of the guys on your list, Frank deserves to be there. You've got Rampage and Randy in tier 3 for ****s sake

 

I didnt say tier 1 fella, my point is you can pick apart everyone's resume and I think you are being a tad unfair on Shamrock here tbh.

Case in point you got Coleman x2 on Fedors resume, but Frank beat Kevin Jackson, Olympic Champion and UFC Champ in 16 seconds. Now of course you can make a claim that Coleman is more of a legit fighter in MMA, but he was the same 1 dimensional guy with no stand up and a **** gas tank in his 1st fight, and he was the same guy in his last. Point is he beat a better wrestler much quicker than Fedor did.

And you going to bring up Cesar Gracie, well Hong Man Choi's best win is Jose Conseco ffs

I honestly think Frank is a tier 3 guy fella, but his resume does let him down but he's got more title defences in a row than Randy & Rampage and beat the best that was put in front of him, and was a pioneer in the same respect that Saku was interms of raising the standard and bringing something new to the game, that deserves credit. Before and after Frank, the MW/LHW was dominated by lay n pray.

I think tier 3 is fair, but it's your list

 

Maybe I should have stated that at the start But I think Frank deserves respect, the man was the best American MMA fighter in the world during the period when no one was watching and guys like Koscheck Sylvia and Goodridge are being used as good wins on the resume of others, when they aint half the MMA fighter Frank is. He could easily be a Tier 2 if he was in the mix as a 185er his prime today. But I know that point is moot in terms of the criteria for this list

 

It's crazy to see how much people are getting into ATG and rankings and disputing wins. Settle down, fellas.

 

all I wanted too know for me it is also Fedor :happy

 

Pointless talking about the sport really if that's the case. May as well shut down the forum and let the ''**** Zuffa'' ******s take over then. May aswell rename this place, Im thinking Sherdog is catchy as a name for a forum

Serious question, would you rather read a debate between two people who know what they are talking about or endless +1's and War Overeems

Think about it

 

+1 yea bro I agree

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Fair point. Where you both left off. :good

 

As I said, I wasn't arguing head to head or depth of resume but ATG ranking. That to me has to be based on how dominant a fighter was in their era and not penalize them too harshly for being unlucky to fight in a weak era. I know Shamrock came back but due to the overtraining and more importantly oversparring that was rife in the sport in the nineties he was physically spent at a young age. The Strikeforce and EliteXC fights were unashamed cash-ins and helped grow the sport in California (as did his founding of AKA).

For his time Shamrock was awesome. Beat top competition in both America and Japan, retired with the belt after beating the man who would become his long-term successor and expanding the concept of the sport through developing things like cross-training.

But as I said H2H and resume depth there are many fighters better than him because the sport developed and improved after he retired in 2000. Just in the same way as the fighters Hughes and Emelianenko defeated would struggle if they were sucked out of the early noughties and dropped into modern-day UFC without any chance to adjust to a changed level of competition.