Do you agree with these Tiers Of Greatness for the best MMA fighters ever?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by horst, Jul 31, 2011.


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  1. horst

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    All I can say is, I disagree. Before Shamrock moved to the UFC in 1997, I think his record was 14-7-1 or something like that, he had lost the series 2-1 to Rutten, and went 1-1 with Funaki. I don't see this awesome period of domination that you did. If he had done what Fedor did and gone undefeated for the decade or done what GSP did and get the better of those that defeated him whilst reigning undisputed for years whilst destroying the best fighters in his division that the world had to offer, I'd rank him higher. He did neither of these things, so he can't be considered the equal of those guys IMO, nothing to do with how weak his era was. He wasn't close to being as dominant as them.
     
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  2. (PimpThaSystem)

    (PimpThaSystem) Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Although I agree with your overall point, I don't like the way you marginalize Shamrock's win against Inoue. It only resulted in a dq because Enson's brother Egan ran into the ring to stop the fight after Frank had put Enson out with a knee. It was a huge win for Shamrock and a classic fight.

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  3. horst

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    I don't see how it was a 'huge win' myself. Inoue does hold a sub win over a green Couture, so he evidently had some skills, but all in all he was not a particularly great opponent. Whenever he went up against a top fighter other than the win over Randy, he lost (Big Nog, Vovchanchyn, Kerr, Herring). I don't see a win over him being a huge win, on anyones' record really.
     
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  4. (PimpThaSystem)

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    Huge because it was a UFC title eliminator and Inoue was greatly respected in NHB circles and gave Shamrock one of the toughest fights of his career. The win also came at a time when Shamrock was rebuilding from a three fight losing streak and would go on to dominate the UFC's LHW division. No, Inoue does not have much of a resume but all you have to do is watch the guy fight and you can tell that he was a serious threat in his day.
     
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  5. horst

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    'Huge' though, in the context of this discussion? :think
     
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  6. (PimpThaSystem)

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    Maybe not but I already said I agree that Frank isn't anywhere close to being on the first tier of greatness so the points moot. :deal
     
    (PimpThaSystem), Aug 5, 2011
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  7. horst

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    Fair enough.
     
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