Do you consider Ali's win over Doug Jones controversial?

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  1. MyName

    MyName Simon Adebisi Full Member

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    It seems it gets mentioned always in the ''gift decision'' type discussions but to me Ali won it fair and square.
    I struggle to give Jones more than 3 rounds when scoring it.Just don't see it.
    Also the crowd reaction might have been caused by Jones being a NY fighter fighting in NY.

    What do you say?:think
     
    MyName, Mar 28, 2012
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  2. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Well Ali was very green, so i don't hold it against him, but here's my scorecard...

    Ali-Jones '63

    Round 1: Jones

    Round 2: Ali

    Round 3: Ali

    Round 4: Jones

    Round 5: Jones

    Round 6: Jones

    Round 7: Jones

    Round 8: Jones

    Round 9: Ali

    Round 10: Ali


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    I recall Ali being stunned by righthands several times, while Doug Jones was only hurt once in the fight.
     
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  3. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No..
    But it was very very close, and I wouldn´t have any problem with Jones winning.....
     
    Vic-JofreBRASIL, Mar 28, 2012
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  4. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes . y no poll ? although @ dis forum it's not hard 2 predict d outcum
     
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  5. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    I'd like to see a public poll added. :good
     
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  6. MyName

    MyName Simon Adebisi Full Member

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    Done.
     
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  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Jones did better than expected but Ali won fair.
     
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  8. Woller

    Woller Active Member Full Member

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    Have any of ever seen a FULL version of this fight????

    I love Jones and can´t stand Clay, but there were only one winner and it was not Doug Jones.
    By the way have a look at Jones record - Not that good, agree?

    Woller
     
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  9. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Cheers. The results appear as lopsided as Frank predicted.

    Yes, i've seen the full version.
     
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  10. SenorRamirez

    SenorRamirez Active Member Full Member

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    Yep,for me Jones win 6-4
     
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  11. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    :good Is your scorecard identical in rounds to mine, Senor?
     
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  12. SenorRamirez

    SenorRamirez Active Member Full Member

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    yes :good
     
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  13. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    More unimpressive than controversial.

    Judges Farnk Forbes and Artie Aidala (who also was a judge at the FOTC)
    both had it 5-4-1.

    Referee Joe LoScalzo had it 8-1-1.

    Sonny Liston who was at ringside, said that he was not impressed with
    Cassius Clay, but thought he did enough to win.

    I think a Draw would have been a fair enough evaluation.
    More like,,,,,,,, 'No Harm, No Foul'.
     
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  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I thought Ali won it to be honest.

    Although he received countless gifts after manilla
     
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  15. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    March 13, 1963

    Madison Square Garden, New York City

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