Do you consider boxing to be a noble aristocratic sport?

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  1. Drachenorden

    Drachenorden Active Member Full Member

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    Boxing was very popular in the antiquity especially in ancient Greece. In the middle ages jousting was more popular among aristocratic people and boxing died briefly, but modern boxing is basically a product of upper aristocratic classes reviving the "lost" sport of boxing in Britain. There were also other forms of dueling that were popular like fencing at the time but boxing is the only form of dueling that evolved into a globally popular modern elite sport so it's basically the only aristocratic sport that grew big.

    I think boxing is the most noble and the most aristocratic modern sport. It promotes aristocratic values such as courage, honor and cruelty. Dueling for honor between two men just like in other aristocratic forms of dueling such as fencing. Boxing develops these noble traits in athletes more than any other sport. I think boxers are the most noble athletes out there, that's why boxing is known as the noble art.
     
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  2. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    **** no its two guys throwing hands

    noble and aristocratic is for *** sports like equestrian
     
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  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    does the phrase "sport of kings" mean anything?
     
  4. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I can't remember the last time I saw an aristocrat box..
     
  5. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I think it has noble qualities such as courage and honor, but I wouldn't limit their exercise to the aristocracy. Also, like KO Kidd already mentioned, horse racing is another aristocratic sport that is still around. Also, I'm not sure that the sport needed to be revived by aristocrats, since I don't think people have ever stopped throwing hands for fun or to settle disputes. It might have needed the right patronage to popularize it, turn it into an occupation, write books and professionalize it, but as I recall the first modern boxing fight wasn't between two noblemen but between a butler and a butcher for a gentleman's amusement.
     
  6. Drachenorden

    Drachenorden Active Member Full Member

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    When I speak about aristocracy I mean the original ideals of aristocracy as a caste system (the kind of system that Plato preferred over any other social system) where the aristocrats represented the noble warrior caste. This is the system that thrived in Europe in the middle ages, but it was common in all kinds of Indo-European cultures in different forms. Unfortunately it degenerated in the modern age and now people wrongly associate it with some spoiled rich people. It has nothing to do with that, the purpose of the aristocracy as the warrior caste was to be ready to fight for their society at any time and defend it as an elite group of warriors.

    Aristocracy = warrior caste, warrior values. And boxers represent that to some extent.
     
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  7. JoffJoff

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    Isn't that what they refer to horse racing as?
     
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    JoffJoff Regular Junkie Full Member

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    'Prince' Charles Martin " I WALK THIS EARTH LIKE A GOD "
     
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  9. Drachenorden

    Drachenorden Active Member Full Member

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    That's because aristocracy doesn't exist in Europe anymore in its proper meaning.

    True aristocratic values are warrior values. Aristocracy were people like János Hunyadi, Charlemagne, El Cid, Charles Martel, Miloš Obilić, Jan III Sobieski, Phillip II, Vlad Tepes, Eugen of Savoy etc. These kind of people, the best and the bravest of their race, the finest aristocratic European blood.

    I think boxers are the closest to modern day warriors as far as the athletes are concerned.
     
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  10. Lady Girl

    Lady Girl Kneel Before Zod! Full Member

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    a lot of inflated egos

    some calling themselves the best ever
     
  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    In ancient Greece, which was pre-feudal, boxing was open to the citizenry. The sports culture was about individual prowess and improvement. There are definitely aspects of fairness and honor relating back to English aristocracy, but given that the participants are all from lower class backgrounds, I tend to disassociate those concepts from the fighters aside from general sportsmanship.
     
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  12. Drachenorden

    Drachenorden Active Member Full Member

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    Lower classes can emulate aristocratic values. It doesn't change the fact that those values as such are aristocratic values. Courage and honor are aristocratic values.

    Aristocracy has nothing to do with "feudalism" which is a meaningless word that was coined in the modern age. Aristocracy was praised by the Greeks and is a Greek word in itself.
     
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  13. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yes and no. It's the most refined and noble combat sport. That said, it still draws lower economic personnel than other sports. Getting your brains beat in doesn't appeal to many people unless you make little anyway and this is the way to overcome it.
     
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  14. Drachenorden

    Drachenorden Active Member Full Member

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    It will always draw poor people, but that doesn't mean it's not aristocratic in character. It encourages noble aristocratic qualities in people who box. I think boxing really shaped the character of the elite boxers for the better. I mean take someone like Kovalev, if he never started to box he would be some regular guy living a boring difficult life, he would never develop his personality in a way that he has developed it through boxing. But now as an elite boxer Kovalev is a modern warrior with great courage very close to the mentality that the old aristocratic warriors had.

    I think boxing is the kind of sport that really changes a person who trains it for real.
     
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  15. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I'd agree with that. Bhop, as bad a person as he is in some ways, is another example of a noble, warrior driven Life. The guy lives and breathes boxing and has devoted himself to it past middle age.
     
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