Do you consider Erislandy Lara to be an "elite fighter"?

You also mentioned Loma?
He's not elite, yet.

Elite boxers don't lose to title contenders. They dominate them.

 

He's cleaned out the middleweight division.
He's in a league of his own.

The MW division might be poor atm, doesn't matter.
Same way Wald dominates/dominated a weak HW division.


They're both elite.

 

No his ****

 

GGG hasn't cleaned out sh*t and dominating a weak division doesn't make you elite.

 

Today, as Jr.MW, he is elite fighter.

 

Yes, in terms of pure boxing skills he's comparable to anyone else active bar Floyd.

 

First of all. GGG has cleaned out the MW division. He did as soon as Sergio refused to fight him. Same thing happened with Kovalov in the LHW division when Adonis ran like a coward.

Secondly, Cotto now refuses to fight him so GGG is regarded as the man at 160lbs regardless of lacking the correct*lineal* title.

"elite
eɪˈliːt,ɪ-/
noun
noun: elite; plural noun: elites
1.
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society."



The group in this case if the middle weight division, which GGG has dominated for the past 4 years.

GGG is "elite" whether you like it or not.

Lara, is not elite using the correct definition of the word elite, as he hasn't dominated **** himself.

 

lol I guess you make up your own definition of "cleaned out". Secondly, Cotto is the man at 160 whether you like it or not. Until he loses at 160, is stripped or chooses not to fight at that weight, he is the "man". I like Golovkin but some of you Golovkin fans are as bad as the worse of the Pac fans. Golovkin hasn't beat anything more than a B level fighter so I have a hard time calling him elite at this point in time but, then again, I am a fan of Golovkin and not a fanboy.

 

If you want to think Cotto is "The man" at 160lbs it doesn't matter.
Cotto, Roach and the boxing fans with a clue know differently.

Also GGG just dominated Martin Murray who is probably the 2nd best middleweight out there. That's what elite boxers do.

Ward dominated a pretty weak SM division if you want to play this game. Like, the guys he beat would be insignificant if they were all around during the early 90's as would Ward himself because he would lose to some of those guys.

In this era, GGG is "elite"
Its a weak era, but he's head and shoulders above anybody else at 160lbs.

 

If Lara isn't elite then by that same token nor is Golovkin elite. Lara has a fairly weighted resume and far less fights. Lara could easily be undefeated....Granted his style is unattractive to some but Lara as far as a boxing goes is pretty much the total package of boxer puncher.

All elite boxers have losses on their resumes that you can shake your head at and wonder "how did they lose this". Loma took on a monster that neglected their weight limit in only his second fight and lost by the thinnest of margins. A fighter that if they fought next week on even terms he would probably dominate. I'd say Loma certainly deserves that consideration.

 

lol I just checked out the top ten rated middleweights and Golovkin hasn't fought at least six of them so I don't see how a rational person can say he "cleaned out" the division. If you want to say that everyone is afraid to fight him, then fine but he has hardly cleaned out the division. As for Ward, he had wins over Froch and Kessler at super middleweight. If you think Murray is on the same level as those guys then I am probably wasting my time debating with you because we definitely see things completely different.

 

Your 1st point.

If he was the "total package" he would be disposing of boxers with ease and not struggling vs guys on his level(The one below elite)
GGG has chased after the best people in his division for years. They outright ducked him. To me, that's forfeiting a fight.
Like Bowe throwing a title away instead of getting knocked out by Lewis again. Lewis has the recognition of putting fear into Bowe, the same way GGG puts fear into other boxers. Most recent one was Carl Froch who refused to fight him. Now, if Froch won't fight GGG that tells you everything. Doesn't matter what you or me think. Other boxers refuse to fight him, those boxers think HE is elite.

2nd point.
I said in regards to Loma he's not elite yet!
Like, the guy he lost to, is he elite also?
No, is he hell.

 

I agree completely and at least Broner has held belts at a couple of different weights, Alvarez has just briefly held a belt at 154.

 

He would have a few names on his resume if they never ducked him.

Carl Froch
Sergio Martinez
Migual Cotto

You can dispute he would beat all 3 of those names if you want.
He would beat them all.

Which of those 6 names he hasn't faced do think think would beat GGG just out of interest?