Do you consider James J Jeffries an ATG?

Marvin Hart is only the 5th man to be gloved heavyweight champion is he an ATG?
That's your criteria so yes must be your answer!

 

And it is.

 

The point that is being missed is the size of the rings during that time favored the smaller fighter! As a exaggerated example....what if you put prime Tunney in a 30x30 ring. Who would be able to catch him???? Answer is no one.

Same scenario but let's make the ring 12x12. Now no place for the smaller hwt to hide. He more than likely gets koed and koed quickly.

Glove size along with the large ring favored the smaller man as the lighter fighters blows were amplified in terms of power. Of course same is true of the larger fighter but the larger fighter needs to catch the smaller fighter first.

One MUST examine not only records but the nitty gritty details that ALLOWED smaller men to compete vs much larger opponents.

 

This video is a good compilation of what contempories said about Jeffries.

Obviously you make what you will of their opinions.

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Damned Perry your purposely ignorant there are large rings depending on the agreement, gloves, weights etc... are negotiated before contracts are you purposefully stupid? It is clear that you are woefully limited in experience..... Did you take a boxing class in college while you were getting edumacated. Go back to your dungeons and dragons.

 

That is your prerogative!

 

Thirty thirty rings! The first Corbett fight was in a 24'ring ,the second Fitz fight as in a 20' one. For God's sake don't embarrass yourself further .Stick to the moderns!

 

Someone needs to learn how to read. I gave exaggerated examples to make an important point. The larger ring size typical of that period better allowed the smaller fighter to compete. The small gloves allowed the smaller fighter to have more effect with their blows. Add up large ring size and small gloves and you have a perfect atmosphere where small fighters can do well vs much larger men.

Rich once again is so lost it's a laugh riot!!!!

 

No Perry you legitimately did not know so quit lying about ring size as your fallback argument there are still huge fast rings depending agreement and promoter etc.... There is and has not ever been a single sized ring... **** I even fought in a wrestling promoter ring that was like a trampoline and yes it was dangerous. See Perry you have no idea the tricks promoters do to sell there brand such as small rings that produce all action fights or lying about records or lying to fighters etc...... Anything for a buck. Your pompous ass has no idea why it is a blood sport and the things promoters do to give their fighters every edge...

Sort of like matching ole Jeff with small men to accentuate his strengths. You sir/maam are like a groupie but no fighter

 

Rich your knowledge of the sport of boxing and it's history is minimal. Educate yourself.

 

Perry talking crap is not knowledge so when you mean educate do you mean be a real fighter as well as an avid reader of history and study of video or.......the Perry way by taking a boxing class in college and reading Nat Fleischer and then moving to your moms basement where you sit in your underwear all day in the basement on the computer screaming "Ma the meat loaf".

 

I've studied the history of boxing both in print and on film since 1970. That's 47 years. How about you?

 

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That you have learned so little from this time is truly sad.

 

Seamust....Certainly know more than you. You were the bright light in the room that stated Kovalev was an ATG who would KO both Dempsey and Marciano. What an intelligent analysis completely void of any understanding of the sport. The fighter was never tested in the ring yet he is not only an ATG but beats two of the greatest hwt champions ever to live? Can you spell L O S E R?