Do you consider Joshua, Wilder, and Fury to be elite

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  1. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Looking at resume and skill are these guys on the same level as past HW greats? And how do they compare to the other crop of p4p talent currently?
     
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    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I only consider Joshua elite. Wilder and Fury are big sloppy bums who either got lucky, cherry picked, or are top heavies in a weak era.
     
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    These HWs are very poor technically. The only thing they have going for themselves is pure size. They would all be completely owned by from fighters like Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, even James Toney and John Ruiz would school them.
     
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    Fury > Joshua
     
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    No.

    Joshua is the closest but I want to see more before I get all excited.

    Fury and Wilder have a lot more to prove to be elite.
     
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    ZablieJudahnoff Charleston White 2024 Full Member

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    Fury>Joshua>= Wilder
     
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    they are building cases for it but none have a full case yet.

    joshua is the most likely elite, hes done most.
     
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    They most definitely are elite, you can't compare the midget fighters to heavyweight fighters because the bigger
    you are the more clumsy you look, that's what people who don't watch the heavyweight division as much as they
    watch the smaller divisions still can't grasp.
     
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    Fury > (Joshua == Wilder)
     
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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Very, very difficult for a HW to get as good at doing boxing as smaller men. Just gravity or bio-mechanics or some **** like that. But sometimes they don't get enough credit for their fight ending power.

    None of these guys are among the best fighters pound-for-pound in the world in my opinion, no. But they're all very very good fighters and at their respective bests would likely be players in any era.

    Difficult to be sure on Wilder - and actually, all of them still have a bit to prove.
     
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    ^McGrain nailed it
     
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  12. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To be fair, I think Tyson would've lost to Joshua, Fury, and Wilder due to the fact that they are bigger, stronger, more powerful(not Fury), and they were just better fighters. I honestly think Ortiz vs Tysonw ould be 50/50
     
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    :facepalm:
     
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    Tyson lost pretty much so every big fight outside of Bruno and Ruddock. Do you honestly believe that Ruddock and Bruno are better fighters than Fury, Joshua, Ortiz, and Wilder.
     
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    I think Ruddock and Bruno would hang very well in the mix there. They'd run over current Fury, and I think they'd beat Wilder and Ortiz as well. Joshua not so sure about but I wouldn't be shocked if a fired-up Ruddock took the win or if Bruno's power came to the party and won it for him.
     
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