Do you consider Juan Manuel Marquez to be an ATG

i wouldnt say ATG, but at the very least a Great Warrior

 

I dont think it matters how you score the Pacquiao fights, they were so close that they deserve the same amount of credibilty, which is ATG credibility due to their already impressive resumes and the talent, ability and champion toughness on display. Like every single other ATG fighter ever, he has the early padded record and he has the win over a past prime great Barrera, the very close to great Casamayor and two wins over the prime and very good Juan Diaz.

The talent and ability is clear to be seen and his resume proves it, imo. The Paquiao fights solidify the proof

 

Hall of famer.

He needs to avenge the loss to john first of all, the win was disputed but it will speak volumes.

I'd say he needs a few more wins at lightweight in dominant fashion.

 

The term 'All-Time Great' gets thrown around way too often in my opinion.

 

I know, my point is though it is very much the case with most ATG fighters. Calzaghe gets no credit for the Hopkins and Jones wins. However, where would Marciano rank without his wins over past prime Louis and Walcott? Certainly not top 5 ATG HW

 

Not too sure. Pacquiao is the only one that I would definitely consider an ATG.

 

Who do you think qualifies? And how many fighters would you label ATG?

 

That's fair enough if you consider everyone in a top 100 list to be ATG's. I haven't got a p4p list but I reckon I'd only consider the top 35/40 to be ATG's. If you have too many the term becomes meaningless.

 

he's a very good fighter, but he's totally overrated in my eyes on this board compared to a lot of the lesser supported fighters from the last Mexican golden age at the lighterweights(60s-70s)without even getting into the more obscure, yet worthy fighters from earlier era's than that.

Of course that's understandable overall because he's a top active fighter, but still.

 

i second that, its just like when you call someone who is just good or very good a "Great" fighter, the fighters from the golden age like Charley burley, ezzard charles, and jersey joe walcott were "Great" fighters. They are throwing ATG out there so much that its losing its value