Do you consider Juan Manuel Marquez to be an ATG

In some ways yes, a dominant champion from 126-147, fighting everyone yet was never clearly beat by anyone the same size as him

 

I think as a p4p great he certainly belongs.

 

easily at this point

 

ATG does not mean your top 10 or top 20. He's up there from anywhere as high as 40-100. Hell Jake LaMotta is an ATG. Surely Marquez is.

 

Thanks, friend.

I am prepared to elevate Marquez's victory to the élite tier in Mexican boxing history.

In more ways than one, it is greater than Salvador Sánchez's stoppage of the smaller Gómez, and even Chávez's KO of Taylor (both these men were considered more or less equals).

Márquez beat a man who the mainstream considered the greatest pound-for-pound fighter in the world, a juggernaut who had broken much larger and powerful champions, who some--on the strength of his eight division titles--had proclaimed the greatest pugilist of all time. Plus, Márquez was a 39-year-old man!

Consider also the circumstances: "Dinamita" destroyed a ferocious version of Pacquiao, who had come to do damage. And the Pac Man was beginning to devour his old foe. He would have broken many men that night.

But that right hand, that right hand, is up there--in skill, in drama--with Chávez's 12th-round right cross and Chava's right that began the final demolition of Gómez.

 

Of course he is, anyone who thinks otherwise is either a ****** hater or doesn't know much of the sport, or maybe both! :deal

 

What is this ****in garbage doin on the classic forum anyway? To hell with JMM!

 

Has to be and he has earned the hard way.

 

He's very good, but not an alltime great. JMM is drastically overrated by general forum types who seem to only know about the flavor of the week. Call JMM the greatest Mexican champion of all time is, as Mike Tyson would say, "ludicrith"..if anything, Marquez is sort the Jersey Joe Walcott of his time and weight division, and nothing more....and that itself is pretty damned good.

 

I'd say yes, he'll be remembered as one.

 

Yes...I think so.

 

I assumed ATG is a term used to describe those guys. ALL TIME GREAT. you mean to say there's a term higher than the greatest fighters of all time? :blood

Either way, Marquez hardly constitutes an all time great fighter. He is a hall of famer with no arguments but his record doesn't put him with boxing immortals

 

Only if he fought in a five fight trilogy

 

Not ATG

very close but I don't think he makes it to that level

 

Good post.

Lemme beat you on Fight Night again.