Do you consider Juan Manuel Marquez to be an ATG

I don't rank guys like Chavez, Saddler, Griffith, Arguello, Hearns, Marciano, Spinks, Pacquiao, Sanchez, Tiger, Harada, etc. etc. in that range. Would you consider them all time greats? I certainly would. I think there were most certainly up to 100 fighters I'd consider all time greats. In a sport ranging from 8 to 17 weight classes spanning a total of up to 130 years, I hardly think that's a preposterous position to hold.

 

Nope

 

Saying the best Marquez did against Pacquaio is managing a draw is also omitting facts, he won more rounds than Pac in both fights, and the majority of polls had him winning the rematch, if not the first

As for the MAB/Casa issue, yes they were past prime, and MAB was above his best weight (which in fairness JMM may have been but he carried 130 better). But MAB is an ATG, Casa is a near great. Both have elite boxing skills even if past prime. To write off those 2 wins as 'so what' is very unfair to Marquez. The there is his featherweight tenure, where he took on all kinds of tricky tasks, all the top10 contenders that while not great were good fighters of different styles.

Earlier in his career Marquez suffered from being 'a who needs him' fighter, a promoter (Arum) who didn't want to match him against his cash cow in Morales and bad management that advised him not to take the short money against Hamed/Pacquaio rematch. If he got Pacquaio 6months after the first fight it likely would be a clear cut victory, instead JMM deteriated, Pac got better, and the majority of neutral fans still had JMM winning.

At the end of the day it depends on your definition of greatness, but for my money he probably makes a Top6 Mexican List.

 

Do you mean in their primes (last 10 years) or fights? Cause if so your list is severly incomplete. ODLH WTF???? As far as top 100 id also add Marquez,Tito,Mosely,Winky, Lewis,Tszyu and :think possibly Calzaghe. IF you wanna get technichal Lopez(2001 last fight),Tyson,Holyfield,Nelson,Fenech,Tapia.

 

Jersey Joe was awesome to watch but based on resumes alone, i would not rank him over Juan M Marquez:nono Charles and Burley yes.

 

minus Fenech and Tapia, i agree!

 

Agree with your post:good Except for the Norwood comment, no one deserved that fight it was ugly reminded me of the Mora/Mosley fight, Marquez/Norwood should have been a draw.

 

Casamayor hasn't been a good fighter since he lost to castillo imo.Even then he was on the way down.

 

No those guys are great id definetly rate both of them over Calzaghe who in my opinion is borderline but just makes the cut.

 

Thats why you have to do your homework before making such outrageous statements. If you mentioned Jones you have to give consideration to the other guys(not that they were better,but they were still great).

Do you think ODLH was great?