do you consider ray robinson both the best at ww and mw?

Quillin stops him
2013 Soto Karass stops him

 

Monzon is the best at Middle. no one comes close.

 

Best WW, I'd rate other MW's over him though

 

Best WW.

I rate Monzon and Hagler over him at MW. But that is probably it.

 

At WW, Armstrong has a shot of being rated over him, but SRR still remains my number one guy at the weight.

At MW, a case could be made for Monzon, Hagler, or Greb being rated higher, depending on the criteria that's used.

 

Ww yes.

Mw no.

 

I can definitely understand a case for Hagler or Monzon but Greb,
I've never understood how any type of case can be made for him
in any discussion. There's only circumstantial evidence. For all
the older guys that is

 

I have him #1 at Welterweight and #4 at Middleweight, behind Monzon, Hagler and Greb.

 

Pretty much this.

Robinson is top three at Middle and number one best ever at Welter.

 

I have Greb at number 4. I think a lot of people judge some of Greb's Lt.Heavy fights as Middleweight fights...

 

Robinson beat Armstrong.

 

Greb probably is #4 but I don't understand him being rated higher. Somebody would get laughed at for ranking John L. Sullivan, say, 7th all time at HW but a lot of those same negatives against John L. could be used against Greb in a fair world.