Do you consider the heavyweight division the most talent poor division?

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  1. tommyg6

    tommyg6 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cuz outside a few guys in the heavyweight division, it seems like the heavyweight division is pretty talent poor.

    thoughts?
     
  2. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's just typical of the heavyweight division. However, there seems to be a wave of boxers, mainly Eastern Europeans with extensive amateur experience entering the professional side of the sport that will provide a more than usual amount of technical skills in the division. There's at the least a considerable amount of parity. I don't see Wilder and Joshua as being particularly strong champions. Also, there are some significantly talented cruiserweights who will most likely move up to heavyweight. The heavyweight division has potential to be very intriguing assuming the promoters don't fudge up everything.
     
  3. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    in the last couple of decades, definitely.
     
  4. andyw362

    andyw362 Active Member Full Member

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    If the average man Stands between 5ft 8 and 6ft 2. Then obviously most of the talent will be at those weights.

    light welter to super middle is always stacked full of talent.
     
  5. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The heavyweight division is very talent poor, but I think the cruiserweight division deserves part of the blame, since its takes good talent that could either be at 175 or heavyweight. If Gassiev, Usyk, Dorticos, Glowacki, and Lebdev were forced to fight in the heavyweight division along with the guys there the heavyweight division would easily be one of the top divisions again.

    All the talented smaller heavyweights tend to stay at cruiserweight, which results in the heavyweight division having mostly out of shape giant heavyweights and untalented short heavyweights, who are often fat. I have a hard time believing most of the 6'4"+ heavyweights would be coming in regularly at 250+ if they had to contend with guys around 200-215 that were in shape and skilled.
     
  6. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Definitely not talent rich.
     
  7. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    It's pretty poor in terms of depth. Hence someone as low on talent as Wilder manages to be a "champion" for a while.

    But there's some very good fighters coming up as well as some good CWs moving up.

    In 2-3 years it will be stacked with talent.
     
  8. Phelps-Brady

    Phelps-Brady Slicker than Raspberry ripple banned Full Member

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    SMW is poor too.
     
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  9. kasabian19

    kasabian19 Active Member Full Member

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    It lacks depth. Even if you look back 7-12 years the HW scene had a lot of half decent live opponents - the likes of Grant, Botha, Tua, Sanders, Brewster, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Austin, Rahman, Valuev, Liakohvich, Briggs, Golata, Meehan etc..sure none were world beaters, but they were top 20 and solid opponents. Nowadays there is zero depth. A few decent guys and the rest are awful. You don't need lots of talent for the HW division to be decent, just a good selection of C+ to B+ fighters who are willing to mix it.
     
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  10. Max Thunder

    Max Thunder Proud member of the Cult of Vikings Full Member

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    I would once again like to cite a quote from a great philosopher, Mr. Deontay Wilder:

    "In the heavyweight division you don't need skills."
     
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  11. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    The cruiserweights take away most of the athletic and skilled big men who could otherwise fight at heavy. It's weird considering there's so little money to be had at CW compared to HW, but I guess some people just relish the challenge.

    It also doesn't help that it's an open weight division which means some almighty fatasses can compete with ludicrous weight advantages while pumped up on steroids.
     
  12. Dagnaldinho

    Dagnaldinho Active Member Full Member

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    When some of these cruisers start to add extra weight and move up, the division will become very tasty, right now, theres about 10-12 you could mix and match and get some decents bouts with
     
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  13. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    The minute Whyte was made WBC number 1 challenger I think I died a little inside.
     
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  14. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Now try to imagine a 240+ SHW class, which is being seriously discussed.
     
  15. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    The heavyweight division's problem isn't lack of talent.

    But sadly, many are not in shape (Miller, Stiverne, Wach, etc).

    And the best HW matchups are too rarely made. For example, I'd like to see Parker-Joshua, Wilder-Joshua, Parker-Browne, Miller-Wilder, and Whyte-Wilder. But instead we often see the titleholders against journeymen or faded old fat guys like Stiverne.
     
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