Do you consider Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua to be all time greats ?

He’s above AJ but who did he beat ? Wilder and 39 year old Wlad, and then Chisora and Whyte. He never did enough to be an ATG

 

Definitely not

 

Wilder wins are extremely underrated tbh

 

It's not a "lol, no," but it's a no. If they fought the winner will have done enough. They are both knocking at the door but not quite stepping through.

 

No, neither quite is.

Joshua is closer - whilst far and away the less interesting personality, his resume is better, desire to make good fights was far better, didn't get busted with PED's and far less controversy in victories (despite actual losses, there's not the same kind of moments as Fury had against Ngannou, McDermott, Cunningham).

In the fullness of time, I suspect it'll come to be seen this way... But who knows, Fury's the more interesting story and that always holds some attraction.

 

No

In era greats but not ATG

similar to Vitali Klitschko and Riddick Bowe

 

ATG no but definitely HOF.

 

Then no.

 

Probably not but both were at the top or near it for their era. Now they are ancient. I’ll take either over a 39 year old Ali or ancient Holmes. Fury moves better than any man of his size from previous generations. It’s too bad guys don’t fight as frequently as the once did but I guess it extends their careers so there is an upside.

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