Do you consider Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua to be all time greats ?

NO

 

They beat old man Klitschko. Neither would stand a chance versus a prime Wlad or Vit.

 

You'd be a moron then. Usyk carried Chisora because he knew if he destroyed Chisora no amount of money would have ever gotten Fury to the ring. Fury ducked every decent live body his whole career who wasn't washed up. Chisora and bum ass Wilder is a pathetic mantle to hang your hat on.

 

Vitali K is light-years ahead of Fury on every measuring stick: legacy, resume, ability, and ATG ranking. Vitali could scrape in the top 10 HW's ever and is on a level with Usyk, not Fury, especially that career-ending run of 12 title defences, 10 of which were against fighters ranked in the top 10. I'd struggle to place Fury in the top 20 due to his inconsistency and inactivity. I also wouldn't have him above Bowe either. Bowe would've smoked Fury.

 

Fury yes. He went into back yards and fought the fights when they mattered.

Joshua no. More of a cash cow with a synthetic resume.

 

And yet AJ has the more impressive resume.

 

Wilder really wouldn't deserve it.

 

Fury has 2 names on the resume and both have a Asterix next to them.

Wlad - was old and never won another fight.
Wilder - who potentially was never any good.

 

Hilarious, Fury fought bums and old men. Nothing else.

 

If you don't mind me asking but why do you have Fury above Vitali.
I'm not saying that is wrong or right but wondered what you thought
Vitalis resume is good with the wins below

- WBO HW champion H Hide
- WBC HW champion S Peters
- Former WBO HW champion C Sanders (didn't lose WBO title in the ring)
- Former WBO HW champion S Briggs
- Future WBA regular HW champion M Charr
- Former WBC CW champion Gomez
- Former WBC LHW and Former Ring and IBF CW champion T Adamek
- C Arreola
- K Johnson
- T Hoffman
- A Sosnowski
- D Chisora
- D Williams
- Former WBA CW champion O Norris

 

To be fair, it wouldn't have been easy as many held Fury as lineal when he wasn't fighting for a period of time.
Joshua did win all the belts Fury relinquished

 

Joshua only turned pro, late 2013
Why do you think it means anything that his team were not looking to pit him in against Wladimir at that time?
He had only had 10 fights at the start of 2015

 

I think to go about arguing it like this shows yourself to be the moron. You don't have to agree, but try to control your emotions better. Don't let your hatred consume you.

One man got the better of Fury and he'd have gotten the better of most he could have come across in the division at any given time.

Wilder x 3 and Klitschko finally dethroned is the Fury legacy, yes. Could he have done more? Yes.

But then that's why as I said, he's below names like Riddick Bowe. Had he been of stable mind throughout his career and kept boxing his main, professional focus. He'd have been much, much higher (at least top 10 at HW) than where he will end up being considered (still top 20).

That's your opinion and you're of course entitled to it.

You talk the 10 wins towards the end and the opponents beaten in that time up more than it is due in my opinion.
That's not to say it is not worthy of respect and a big part of his legacy.

I do disagree completely though, that either of them are particularly near to the top 10 and/or near to Usyk.
I believe Fury and Vitali could fairly be rated one above the other in either order. As I don't feel there's a lot in it.

 

Beating a guy a few months from forty in a staring match was pathetic. Beating a complete bum without a good win to his name three times is just sad. Hilarious legacy.