Do you currently have Calzaghe or Buchanan higher in your British ATG list?

Why would anyone have Ken higher exactly?

Because he tried hard against Duran?

 

Buchanan by about five places last time I checked

 

I think Calzaghes record has taken a huge hit in recent times.

 

Who has Calzaghe beaten?

 

1 Lennox
2 Buchanan
3 Ted Kid Lewis
4 Bob Fitzsimmons
5 Benny Lynch
6 Jack Kid Berg
7. Jim Driscoll
8 Joe Calzaghe

There's me top eight.........I think.

 

No Wilde?

 

****

1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Jimmy Wilde
3. Ted Kid Lewis
4. Benny Lynch
5. Ken Buchanan
6. Jackie Kid Berg
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Jim Driscoll
9. Freddie Welsh
10. Joe Calzaghe

 

It certainly has but, that said, I think his Ring Championship successes at 168 and 175 judge edge it for me. (But only just).

I think Calzaghe's legacy is going to be based almost soley on those two belts than anything else. Due to Mikkell Kessler's defeat to Andre Ward, Roy Jone's capitulation to Danny Green and Jeff Lacy's inability to win more than a round against Jones his reputation has taken a bit of a beating but, that said, Hopkins' performance against Pavlik and the fact that he, Hopkins, could probably still beat most light-heavyweights in the world, has made Joe Calzaghe's victory over him even more impressive.

 

I find it hard to place him due to lack of knowledge on his best wins. As aesthetically pleasing as his record may be, I don't see anyone of note on there. By similar reasoning, Fitz is on there mainly due to winning a Heavyweight title and not weighing much; more of a token of appreciation rather than actually believing him to be great.

Wilde should be top five, but due to looking poor on film and having no 'notable' wins from where I'm standing, he doesn't make it. If I was gonna rank him on a hunch, he'd be top 3 probably.

 

Wilde has some pretty solid names in Tancy Lee and Zulu Kid are teh two straight of the top of my head.

Also Fitz a 3 weight world champion beating ATG Jack Dempsey for Middleweight honour, KOing Corbett then winning the LHW title way past his prime pretty solid achievements.

Flea what do you think of Lynch over Buchanan i think they are interchangeable and as great as each other

 

Agree with points over Lynch and Buchanan.

Wilde; fair play Greg those are some notable names. Slot him in behind Ted Kid Lewis.

Fitz is right up there, those are good wins. I'ev got Buchanan really high but to be fair with a British list, a lot of it is 'what you like' IMO :good

 

Just think Lynch and Buchanan have very similar resumes, perhaps Lynch's is deeper but Buchanan's is more consistent, one fact that swings it for me is Lynch never lost hsi title in the ring.

Think it is Wildes dominance of Flkyweight and his consistancy that really makes him great

 

Not just that but Wildes ability to batter bigger guys

 

yeh that as well

right im off for a wee whikle