Do you feel these heavyweight fights consisted of robberies, etc.??

Some people had Arreola vs Adamek a draw or Arreola win. That's about as wrong as thinking Tillis beat Tyson. Even a draw is quite a lot to scuffle about. But a win? If it were known as a win it would be known as a terrible robbery. Tyson controlled the fight.

 

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Tells me all I need to know about your scoring. That sort of broad, wide, subjective "Up to interpretation" mentality allows for and enables terrible decisions and robberies to persist because the fight could be "seen in that way." Clearly Tyson was the winner. If you think otherwise you need to reevaluate the way you score fights.

 

So what is your criterion for scoring fights pete? If it is not based on just your opinion let me know what your official source is -if you have one. Tyson did not score 8 clear rounds in a million years! That is the point. Most fans simply enjoy watching a fight and have an overall opinion that contains hindsight of an overall view based on the best individual moments of the fight, which is fine. But scoring a fight round by round live without knowing about the consequences of the official result often gives a different impression. Most winners of a point’s decision win with perhaps as little as 2-3 very clear rounds with perhaps a majority of closer rounds. To prove my point how many rounds do all 3 judges agree on in any one fight?

 

williams outboxed holmes beter than anyone with his long boxing but faded later especialy after his eye was cut, You could argue williams had enough points in the bag by then. I think holmes scored the most decsisive round with a body attack but I remember scoring at least 6 rounds to williams. It was as close as you can get. In order to give the fight to holmes you have to give him all the close rounds but he was realy outboxed at times. The best action of the fight was when wiliams was hurt, holmes never was. I gave it to holmes by one point. but i have no strong argument with those who feel williams scored enough points to get the draw...

 

"Ali W15 Young" of '76.

"Ali W15 Norton 3" of '76.

"Holmes W12 Spoon" of '83

"Spinks W15 Holmes 2" of '86.

"Tyson W10 Tillis" of '86.

"Foreman W12 Schulz" of '95.

"Moorer W12 Bean" of '96.

"Holmes W10 Harris" of '97.

"Briggs W12 Foreman" of 97.

Bolded are bad decisions for me. Didn't saw or remember the fights which aren't bolded.

 

"Ali W15 Young" of '76. - close fight, could have gone either way. No robbery.

"Ali W15 Norton 3" of '76. - close fight, could have gone either way. No robbery.

"Holmes W12 Spoon" of '83 - close fight, could have gone either way. No robbery.

"Spinks W15 Holmes 2" of '86. - Yes, IMO Holmes wion by at least 3 rounds.

"Tyson W10 Tillis" of '86. - Nah, Tyson won a close one.

"Foreman W12 Schulz" of '95. - Yes, I had Schulz clearly up. By I´m German so ...

"Moorer W12 Bean" of '96. - Can´t remember that one.

"Holmes W10 Harris" of '97. - Can´t remember that one.

"Briggs W12 Foreman" of 97. - Yep. Karma.

 

I only watched the Holmes-Spinks #2 out of these and I remember that according to the TV broadcast's scorecards Holmes deserved the nod by a small margin , but it was still close and not a good example to a robbery. Robbery is when a fighter decks the other one 2:0 but still gets an 'L'.
Bonavena-Frazier #1 is a better example to a robbery , even Leterlough-Gonzalez , Puritty-Morisson can be viewed as better examples.

 

Id say the worst is Young and ALi
I had Schulz beating Foreman by 1 or 2 points.
I had Foreman-Briggs even although most disagree with me
Holmes-Harris was a bad decision Harris won.
Tyson-Tillis was no robbery, Tilis fought well but Tyson definitely won.
I Though the 2nd Holmes-Spinks could a have gone either way not a s bad as many say.

No problem with the rest although id ahave to see Norton-Ali III again cant remember watching the whole fight.

 

I'm going to speak of the obvious..and the expected (from me)...and that's to say that Ali-Young was a most blatant robbery, of course. Oh, I forgot...."WORD"(!!!!)

 

The two Ali fight results were close enough for debate,imo. I've always thought that Muhammad was lucky getting the third Norton one. George WAS robbed against Briggs.