do you give Joey Maxim credit for stopping Ray Robinson

Not sure what your saying, exposed him specifically as what?

 

"I think it fair to say that the result of the fight is an anomaly in Robinson's record"

So is Louis' KO defeat by Schmeling. In and of itself this doesn't mean anything.

Also, though, as Robinson was totally unproven against anyone the size of Maxim, I don't see how one can consider the result an anomaly or a fluke or anything. Robinson had one fight against an opponent of this size or even nearly this size and lost it.

 

Which is why I didn't post the statement in isolation.

The Louis/Schmeling (I) bout has it's own many analyses.

Robinson was also, quite probably, unproven in that kind of heat, as well.

 

No.

Robinson was looking to take his legendary status to another level by becoming one of the very few fighters to win world titles at three weights at a time when there were only eight established weight divisions.
He was looking to become the first welterweight champion to go on and become champion at middleweight and light-heavyweight.

Robinson took this fight seriously and was in very good condition. He said so himself.

If ego had anything to do with it, it would be because he wanted to win in style and give Maxim a boxing lesson and set too fast a pace as a result.

He lost because he didn't conserve his energy in extreme conditions against a stronger, heavier and very durable opponent.

 

No. SRR was winning the fight.
Maxim doesn't deserve any credit as far as I'm concerned.

 

No he did not prove that. It was an embarrasment for him to be thoroughly dominated by a guy he outweighed by 25-30 pounds.

 

With all due respect, those are not good wins.
When your opponent dominates you, and you simply win cause he gasses out, gets cut or injured, that sure as hell ain't a good win.
I'd be embarrased to brag about such a win.
A good win is when you completely dominate a knock your opponent out cold. Now that is something to be proud about.

 

Normally you are right, but in this case SRR was way more active than Maxim, that's why he collapsed.

 

Good point, if a boxer isn't winning by the halfway mark, he should just quit on his stool.

 

No, Maxim does not deserve any credit

 

No need to be sarcastic. Nobody's saying you should give up if your opponent dominates you, but at the same time you can't take credit for the win if something happens to him. It's just plain luck and not your merit.

 

If a fighter out-toughs and out-hearts another fighter he gets credit from me. Because that is part of fighting too.

 

Agreed, but in this case Maxim did not do that, he was simply lucky SRR got tired. He was bullshitting when he said that was his plan all along.

 

Well his intentions are a different story.

 

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