do you give Joey Maxim credit for stopping Ray Robinson

I don't remember seeing Robinson take a count. If he did, then that has the potential to change my perspective on the round. I really don't think he did, though.

An exhausted SRR slipping and falling forward, off a missed punch, is not Maxim battering him all over the ring, is it?

In all honesty, the claim that Robinson "didn't land a punch of consequence" in the 13th round seems sweepingly unlikely too.

I'm going from memory of the fight (and probably of some articles I've read in the past, too) so, I'm prepared to change my position on re-review. I'll be watching the fight again soon and I'll be interested to see how the 13th round compares to your description of it.

Either way - I still don't see it as comparable to Rocky's KO of Walcott.

 

Robinson did not take a count in round 13.

 

From Boxing News:

"Round 13:

Between rounds Robinson looked exhausted and his seconds poured water over him. Robinson backed away, conjuring up every trick he knew to stay out of range. Maxim got in close with a body attack and drove Robinson around the ring, landing more left hooks without reply. Robinson threw a right and left to the body, but Maxim continued to pepper him. Robinson missed with a right lunge and went to his knees for a count. He rose wearily and at the bell collapsed into his manager’s arms."

 

There was no count. I just checked.

 

It doesn't matter what Boxing News says.

Robinson did not take a count in round 13.

 

And he didn't go to his knees either. He fell flat on his face.

 

Watched round 13 again:

The official doesn't toll a count, though he does motion for Maxim to go toward a corner. Maybe that's what causes the confusion. Since no punch was landed, I wouldn't have called it a KD.

Also, Maxim clearly takes that round. Robinson lands a couple of sweeping rights that Maxim rolled with, but Maxim had far more success with the left hand. Robinson was very fortunate not to have rounds deducted for the holding he was doing, it should be noted.

 

Indeed. In fact, it looks like his trailing foot slipped on the canvas, as he launched and missed the right; the momentum of which sent him face forward.

 

Against how many other competing boxers, over the years, could that charge be made?

 

I don't see a particularly emphatic round for Maxim, either. He won it but, given Robinson's condition... ...Nah, he's just gone through the motions.

 

The referee doesn't motion for Maxim to go to a neutral corner either.

 

Maxim pressures, lands a few effective hooks and a nice jab. Robinson can't land a jab in this round and connects with two rights, both of which are of the glancing variety. Aside from that, he stumbles around the ring and initiates multiple clinches. I don't see any judge giving a round like that to SRR.

A lot. That just means SRR shouldn't be exempt from criticism for holding excessively.

 

I've already acknowledged that Maxim looked to have won the round. I just don't see it as emphatic, as you do.
The heat had done the damage already and Maxim didn't push the envelope. It's that simple.

Re Robinson's holding, I'll have to watch the whole fight again, anyway. No boxer is above reproach, but I doubt it's as bad as has been made out.

 

Maxim backed toward a corner, as I had said. Miller was probably just telling him to step back, but that might be the reason why the article I posted indicates that a count was called. I do agree, as stated after reviewing the round, that a KD should not have been called.

 

It wasn't a knockdown and it was never ruled a knockdown.

You didn't say Maxim backed towards a corner, you said the referee motioned for him to go to a neutral corner.

Miller waved his arms, but it was in the direction of the fighters' corners, not a neutral corner. So he probably did this just to indicate that it wasn't a knockdown.