Do you give Leonard or Lewis any credit

I give them plenty of credit.

 

Well, I give them some credit. They proved better by not quitting.

Same applies to Clay against Liston.

I'd rather forget those fights, they were all completely farces but Clay, Leonard and Lewis were not at fault, and Liston, Duran and McCall were to blame, so it counts for something.

 

I give them alot, if not full credit.

Both showed themself to be the superior fighter prior to Duran and McCall falling apart.

Duran was consistently having weight issues and being 'off'. Those are the common excuses and there are consistent examples of this in his career. Same with McCall. McCall has broken down numerous times in numerous big fights and has still won.

 

McCaal didn't quit.
He suffered a nervous breakdown and the ref stopped it due to crying in the ring !!

 

I think Leonard made Duran snap.

I don't think Lewis made McCall snap. He seemed pretty ****ed up before he even got in the ring. of course you could say the same about Duran, but I don't think Duran quits if Ray didn't clown him. McCall may have quit no matter who he was facing that night.

Could be wrong though.

 

Well he was crying at the start of the first fight too. Perhaps McCall gave up when he realised he wasn't going to catch Lennox walking forward onto one of his bombs this time. :hey

 

When McCall realised Steward had shored up Lennox's defensive flaws to the right hand the tears were always going to keep flowing, unlike fight 1

 

Yeah, I give SRL all the credit in the world for what happened to Duran in the SupperDome. Ray knew that Duran always ate and drank like a pig after weighing in for his fights, so when Roberto wasn't looking, Ray slipped some Metamucil into his refreshment.

 

:rofl

 

I still don't know if McCall quit, or was playing mind games. He has made himself cry before fights start. Lewis was definitley winning the fight. I will always wonder if McCall was trying to phsyc Lewis out, and swam him Mayorga style a little later. When I was watching the fight, I was honestly expecting him to do something like that. Lennox was winning that fight until it was stopped. It is not his fault Oliver went crazy. He deserved the win.

Leonard made Duran quit, because Duran couldn't hit him like he wanted to. You can say Duran was out of shape, weight drained, not up for it mentally, to slow for a determined to box Leonard, or whatever. Leonard's biography said they saw Duran drinking a thermos full of beef broth after the weigh in. How they knew what was in his thermos, I don't know. Leonard toyed with Duran, taunted him, and was too difficult for Duran to find that night. Duran got frustrated, and quit. Leonard made Duran fold. He deserves credit for that. If Duran wasn't fully prepared, that was his fault.

 

All I can say for certain is this...if both Duran and McCall had been belting their opponents around the ring, they wouldn't have chucked in the towel the way they did.

They got frustrated and upset due to what Leonard and Lewis were doing.
Leonard in particular should get full credit.

 

Yes, full credit.

In Lewis' case less only due to the lesser calibre of the opponent.

But I give him the credit he deserves for beating Oliver McCall.

 

Uh, Robinson was in the hospital for three months after the Maxim fight. Many said he was close to death.:huh

 

In all three cases, the winners MADE the losers quit.

Had they not quit, they faced further embarrassment, humiliation and the KO.