Do you give Zale a pass for fighting graziano over number 1 rated Lamotta?

More of a curiosity is how Graziano became the #3 contender without beating a single rated middleweight.

 

How did Tyson Fury in the heavyweights?:huh

 

Another curiosity!

 

Well, LaMotta had not actually been number 1 for years.

Anyway, the credibility of the ratings are being disputed when it comes to Graziano. If they overrated Graziano, maybe they overrated LaMotta too.

How did LaMotta earn his #1 ranking for end of 1946 ?
I know he beat Holman Williams, but Bert Lytell and Marcel Cerdan did that first.
LaMotta had wins over welterweights Tommy Bell and Tony Janiro, so perhaps beating ranked welters for a middleweight ranking wasn't just the rule for Graziano.

 

Can Tomato cans fight ?.... I doubt it so I presume you are saying Graziano being Italian loved tomato sauce ? it figures, Italians love pasta.

 

Seriously, are you serious ? are you seriously complaining about this fight ? Hell it was one of the all time greatest fights ever and it also spawned two more of the greatest fights ever. The fans were over the moon everytime these two fought and why not, these were amazing incredible fights and exactly what fans would want to see. I would call the decision to match these two together a stroke of pure genius.

You also don't seem to know that the mob ran boxing at this time. Don't you know this, even Jake explains this when he said they asked him to throw a fight, he refused this often until he realised that there was no way he'd ever get a title shot. So yes I reckon he gets a pass mark for not fighting any of these mythical murderers row mob, by mythical I mean they were good but blown way out of proportion by guys like yourself.

 

Yeah real soft, for gods sake, here we go again, fact is that Graziano fought a great fight, beating Zale up in a war to end all wars, Tony had to dig deeper than just about any fighter to knock Rocky out, this is such a well known fight and most know it was spectacular and Zale pulled off a miracle win after copping massive right hands... just what is your agenda ?

And how do you know this ????? apparently they were good freinds but I would like to know how you know that Graziano wouldn't have fought Jake ? I reckon with Graziano's power he is one punch away from beating not only Jake but most fighters.

 

Oh NO U ! What Now ?.. SQ will insist that the government should
unearth the grave of Tony Zale and try him in absentia for starting the Pearl Harbor attack and WW2 against Japan, so Zale not fighting Holman Williams would be overlooked....WOW !atsch
P.S. I live and learn...

 

EXACTLY...... very very selective, there is an agenda here.... I don't mind him having his opinions but I do find many of them rather hilarious as you can tell from my above quotes, especially my response to his tomato can joke.

 

That's it, I am done with you pal, you sir are a cretin and just showed that you don't know enough. Dave Sands was a brilliant fighter who died very young and he was a black fighter so he would almost be like your murderers row mob fanboy the only difference is that Sands was an Aboriginal, like Lionel Rose, Jack Hassen, Jerry Jerome, George Bracken, Tony Mundine sr, Bobby Sinn, Elley Bennett, Hector Thompson and Dave's brothers, Clem Sands, Alfie Sands, Ritchie Sands and Russell Sands.

THIS IS DAVE SANDS http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Dave_Sands

Goodbye you ratbag.

 

Where was Jake LaMotta ranked when Marcel Cerdan gave him a shot ?

If we look at Ring magazine (the ratings SuzieQ seems to be using for Zale) end of year for 1948, LaMotta was ranked #3.

Then in February 1949 LaMotta lost to Laurent Dauthuille, in March he got a controversial decision over Robert Villemain who many call a robbery, then he challenged Cerdan for the title.
He won the title and ended the year losing officially to Villemain in a no-decision bout (he never gave Villemain a shot at the title).

And, yes, Dave Sands was beating Villemain at this time, smack bang in the middle of Villemain's fights with LaMotta.